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Re:Avoiding Zombie Startups by mooreds on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @10:51AM (#18122220)
> They all have BS.

I think this is the most profound thing I've learned in my career. But an even more important lesson is that you have to find a place where the B.S. is tolerable to you. For some people the politics of a bigco may be impossible to deal with, for others the "another month, another pivot" shiny objects syndrome of a small startup may be the issue.

Every place has B.S. That's why they call it "work" and not "fun". Find a place where the B.S. is tolerable (or, better yet, minimal).

Re:Avoiding Zombie Startups by deathanatos on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @12:52PM (#18123398)
> That's why they call it "work" and not "fun".

No, it isn't. The "work" is the fact that I am applying my skillset to satisfy my employer's desire whether I feel like it or not; often, that means polishing and grinding at rather boring but rather necessary tasks.

None of that requires bullshit, and calling bullshit "work" normalizes toxic behavior.

Re:Avoiding Zombie Startups by mooreds on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @01:46PM (#18123934)
Ah, but what if you don't know the task is necessary? It might be necessary from the perspective of the greater organization, but not from your perspective. You might consider it wasteful B.S. But from another perspective it is useful. That's only one way I can think where a workplace might have a certain amount of bullshit, I'm sure there are others.

I would also like to distinguish between toxic and abusive behavior (which I don't think anyone should tolerate) and a certain amount of B.S. The latter can vary across a spectrum, but is tedious, or frustrating, or annoying, not psychologically harmful.

Re:Avoiding Zombie Startups by spookthesunset on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @03:06PM (#18124689)
> Find a place where the B.S. is tolerable

I prefer to think of it is a finding a bullshit compatible place. All companies have bullshit, but the trick is to find a place whose particular variant of bullshit is compatible with your particular tolerance of said bullshit.

Bullshit compatibility is an important thing!