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Re:Companies headquartered in California can no longer have ... by roenxi on Sunday September 30, 2018 @10:22PM (#18109599)
A slippery slope argument seems really justified here as this legislation applies to boards that are quite small in size. If women need this special advantage, we only have to find a few other deserving minorities (race, religion and age seem like reasonable choices) before it is illegal to use merit as the first criteria for making up a corporate board.

There is also a real concern with regulation like this is that the current climate of discussion is such that the negative effects are difficult to discuss in civil society. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people who object to this are sexists.

EDITED because I'd interpreted the article wrong

Re:Companies headquartered in California can no longer have ... by AnthonyMouse on Sunday September 30, 2018 @11:05PM (#18109752)
> If women need this special advantage, we only have to find a few other deserving minorities (race, religion and age seem like reasonable choices) before it is illegal to use merit as the first criteria for making up a corporate board.

Adding other categories is actually worse than that, because it creates the need to specifically appoint an asian catholic female age 35-49. An asian catholic female in the 50-74 age group is no good because then the younger age group is underrepresented, a hispanic catholic female in the 35-49 age group is no good because then asians are underrepresented, etc. So the last board member not only can't be chosen on merit, they basically have to be ordered from a catalog of people whose function is to fit into whatever weird shaped box is formed by the composition of the existing board members. And if anyone leaves they either have to be replaced by someone of the same gender, race, religion and age or you have to discharge other existing board members and reconstitute the board.

Re:Companies headquartered in California can no longer have ... by netheril96 on Sunday September 30, 2018 @11:53PM (#18109928)
In practice, no one (except Asians themselves) cares if Asians are underrepresented, only when they are overrepresented.
Re:Companies headquartered in California can no longer have ... by hueving on Monday October 01, 2018 @01:28AM (#18110248)
> I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people who object to this are sexists.

What? You point out the problems with how dumb this law is and then turn around and accuse anyone of objecting to it being a sexist?

Re:Companies headquartered in California can no longer have ... by kwxza on Monday October 01, 2018 @09:43AM (#18112413)
I think he meant that a potential chilling effect on discussion of such regulation is the likelihood that objectors would be labelled as sexist, thus being ignored as opposed to having their points debated upon their merit.
Re:Companies headquartered in California can no longer have ... by repolfx on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:06AM (#18112617)
He didn't say that though, and it wasn't a complex sentence.

Logically speaking it's the other way around. People who are for this law are sexists (they want discrimination on the basis of sex) and the people against it are the non-sexists (appoint purely on merit). Obviously it will be inverted in many discussions: Orwell didn't invent the term doublespeak for no reason.

Re:Companies headquartered in California can no longer have ... by roenxi on Monday October 01, 2018 @07:09PM (#18117575)
kwxza is correct. Obviously I'm not using the word according to its dictionary definition, but I'm in good company using it to mean "not in the best interests of females". In practice, the meaning of the word is being broadened by activists.
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Re:Companies headquartered in California can no longer have ... by ddingus on Sunday September 30, 2018 @10:52PM (#18109703)
If you mean it, as in get a statement from a psychologist, and are executing a meaningful transition plan, your chances are good.
Re:Companies headquartered in California can no longer have ... by tuesdayrain on Monday October 01, 2018 @03:01AM (#18110521)
It seems wrong to assume that all trans people have the intention of undergoing a transition. I imagine there's a significant amount of people who feel that they were born into the wrong body, but find the transition process uncomfortable for whatever reason and choose to remain the way they were born.
Re:Companies headquartered in California can no longer have ... by ddingus on Monday October 01, 2018 @04:20PM (#18116474)
The law is intended to include women.

A woman is defined in CA law, and the answer I gave is derived from that definition.

Personally, I favor far more liberal gender role freedom, and I prefer it precisely for the reasons given here.

More liberal gender norms would allow for greater personal expression, and covers these cases better.

People simply saying they identify as female is difficult to discern from those willing to game a law to get what could be an attractive board position, or present as a compliant group without actually complying.

Not all trans people fully transition. I never implied they must, or do.

However, the State of CA does require a few things to get that "F" on a drivers license, and those things involve a status change and some material effort to present as female.

Finally, some do feel they are better off staying as they were born. No worries, but doing that does also mean they are not going to be seen as women in the current law either.

All OK. I truly do not care what people do. People need and work best when they are able to be themselves. I much prefer meeting and interacting with the real person anyway.

Re:Companies headquartered in California can no longer have ... by AnthonyMouse on Sunday September 30, 2018 @11:12PM (#18109769)
And what if you're gender fluid?
Re:Companies headquartered in California can no longer have ... by ddingus on Monday October 01, 2018 @04:22PM (#18116495)
It will be super interesting to see that play out in court!

I am getting downvoted. That is OK. CA requires a few things for Trans people to qualify as a gender other than the one indicated at birth. A complete transition is not required.

Frankly, gender fluidity and greater gender role freedom are two things I fully expect to play out in court. Both need to be addressed, and then more normalized.

Interesting times ahead.