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Re:A bipartisan plan to end surprise ER bills by antoniotamer on Sunday September 30, 2018 @06:11PM (#18108711)
How can such a plan exist? Or am I missing something?
Re:A bipartisan plan to end surprise ER bills by throwaway2048 on Sunday September 30, 2018 @06:18PM (#18108739)
You are missing the fact that its basically his employer self insuring, as a form of unpaid compensation. The only thing the insurer is doing is acting as a billing agent.
Re:A bipartisan plan to end surprise ER bills by zrail on Sunday September 30, 2018 @07:58PM (#18109143)
It’s not self-insurance, necessarily. When OP says “zero premium” they mean (even if they don’t know it) that their employer is paying 100% of their premium.
Re:A bipartisan plan to end surprise ER bills by Fins on Sunday September 30, 2018 @08:45PM (#18109271)
What they said, I worked for an outfit with a similar plan (lower max. out of pocket, though). They were self-insured, though, and the latest year I have data for, it was about $20K/year for health coverage.
Re:A bipartisan plan to end surprise ER bills by user72685 on Sunday September 30, 2018 @08:50PM (#18109287)
Also worth noting that self-funded plans will have their premiums set based on the plan's actual claims experience, which means employers with a sicker risk pool will pay more. This also encourages discrimination against older or unhealthy/disabled workers, since they statistically cost more. (This is illegal, but it happens all the time and is hard to prove.)
Re:A bipartisan plan to end surprise ER bills by Fins on Monday October 01, 2018 @03:14PM (#18115844)
Well, when I was working there, employee premiums where exactly 0, company picking up the entire tab, but I am quite sure that this stuff does happen.
Re:A bipartisan plan to end surprise ER bills by user72685 on Monday October 01, 2018 @03:45PM (#18116113)
The employer picking up 100% of the premiums (which, in a self-funded plan like this, are paid into the plan trust) just makes this kind of stuff even more likely. If an employee or employee's covered spouse or dependent has health issues requiring $XXX,XXX/year of treatment, getting rid of the employee will directly save the company $XXX,XXX/year. Quite a powerful incentive for scumbags, even if it's completely immoral and illegal (ERISA 510).
Re:A bipartisan plan to end surprise ER bills by Fins on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @11:23PM (#18127419)
Of course. Since the company actually does have some decency (being privately held helps, too) eventually they just decided, as I hear, to simply convert to a (still generous) regular insurance plan.
Re:A bipartisan plan to end surprise ER bills by Fins on Thursday October 04, 2018 @02:43AM (#18137710)
Granted, the other reason was that because of Pajamacare, health plans that are "too good" get taxed excessively.