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Re:Marriage Costs in China Are Out of Control by watwut on Sunday September 30, 2018 @04:23AM (#18105176)
Are gender imbalances destabilising historically? It woild be interesting to see the history. After wars there was lack of men in some areas. Excess of men was during gold rush, in Australia and is in silicon valley.

(I am not sure how much it proves or disproved theory.)

Re:Marriage Costs in China Are Out of Control by geoffmunn on Sunday September 30, 2018 @04:52AM (#18105249)
As a positive twist, women got the vote in New Zealand partly because of fears that a surplus of rowdy men 'on the frontier' would cause problems. Giving women the vote would give families more leverage in Parliament.
Re:Marriage Costs in China Are Out of Control by ThinkingGuy on Sunday September 30, 2018 @11:30AM (#18106563)
We had a similar phenomenon in the US, with the "frontier" territories being among the first places to allow women to vote (at the local level), years before US Constitution was ammended to make it nation-wide.

https://constitutioncenter.org/timeline/html/cw08_12159.html

Re:Marriage Costs in China Are Out of Control by jacobush on Sunday September 30, 2018 @05:15AM (#18105329)
Fears by who(m)? There must be some interesting partisan politics you are barely hinting at.
Re:Marriage Costs in China Are Out of Control by geoffmunn on Sunday September 30, 2018 @05:29AM (#18105383)
https://theconversation.com/why-new-zealand-was-the-first-co...

Women as moral citizens

As a “colonial frontier”, New Zealand had a surplus of men, especially in resource towns. Pragmatically, this placed a premium on women for their part as wives, mothers and moral compasses.

There was a fear of a chaotic frontier full of marauding single men. This colonial context saw conservative men who supported family values supporting suffrage. During the 1880s, depression and its accompanying poverty, sexual licence and drunken disorder further enhanced women’s value as settling maternal figures. Women voters promised a stabilising effect on society.

Re:Marriage Costs in China Are Out of Control by thrower123 on Sunday September 30, 2018 @08:12AM (#18105845)
In China, yes, very much so. Historically, when gender imbalances have gotten to the levels in the current statistics, rebellion and violent millenarian religious cults have found fertile ground, when times turned tougher. Having an excess of downtrodden single men without much to lose is not a great situation for stability anywhere.
Re:Marriage Costs in China Are Out of Control by watwut on Sunday September 30, 2018 @02:58PM (#18107733)
Thank you. How did it happened? They killed female babies?
Re:Marriage Costs in China Are Out of Control by thrower123 on Sunday September 30, 2018 @07:53PM (#18109119)
It's been a considerable time since I was doing coursework on that period, but in broad strokes I recall it went something like this:

1.) Culturally, there was a broad understanding that males remain within their birth family lineages, whereas women leave and join their husband's family.

2.) Male children were expected to provide for their parents in old age, whereas (again if I recall correctly) it was customary to offer a dowry when female children were married.

3.) As a result wealth tended to transfer from female-heavy lineages to male-heavy lineages.

4.) When new land was available, or technology or new crops could make old land more productive, this effect was manageable, but increased pressure when population butted up against technical limits of agriculture, so that additional new arable land (wealth) could not be easily made available. Particularly when infrastructure and ecological failures strained or reduced the capacity of productive land. In that more zero-sum environment, male children were correspondingly more valuable, and there were upticks in female infanticide.

There's another dynamic in play with regards to the Chinese bureaucratic governmental system, which only men could take advantage of - in the archtypical system, entry into the bureacratic class was at least nominally meritocratic, and through grueling work and education, one could become eligible to take and pass the examinations to gain the bureaucratic degrees, which conferred massive benefits, which were again expected to accrue to not only the newly-minted official, but their family groups. So there are instances of family lineages and even entire villages pooling their resources behind a favored son, investing massively in classical education in hopes of hitting the lottery that way.

Re:Marriage Costs in China Are Out of Control by watwut on Monday October 01, 2018 @01:09AM (#18110184)
Thank you.
Re:Marriage Costs in China Are Out of Control by gaius on Sunday September 30, 2018 @10:37AM (#18106335)
Are gender imbalances destabilising historically? It woild be interesting to see the history.

I've often wondered to what extent it explains the situation in Afghanistan. If there is a shortage of women anyway due to poor healthcare and other factors, and some men get to have multiple wives, what do the other men do?

Re:Marriage Costs in China Are Out of Control by watwut on Monday October 01, 2018 @01:10AM (#18110188)
Might have more to do with armies (Russian) making Afghanistan their playground in the past and Americans sponsor in resistance (terrorism) to defend.