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Re:So is it nature not nurture after all? by go_away_nsa on Saturday September 29, 2018 @04:42PM (#18102687)
Not sure why this is so hard to accept, why would evolution stop at the neck? Nobody has a problem with saying height is mostly genetic, yet say the same of intelligence and it's controversial.
Re:So is it nature not nurture after all? by hydrox24 on Saturday September 29, 2018 @04:58PM (#18102783)
> height is mostly genetic

And yet until the industrial revolution, environmental factors were the dominant effect. Anyone could have been taller with enough nutrition.

Genes are only ever expressed under certain environmntal conditions. The minimal condition for all of them is being alive. Malnourishment, or perhaps too much caffeine, amongst a hundred other things, all determine how our genes for height express themselves.

Which is all to say, people are wrong when they say height is mostly genetic. It may be true enough under current social conditions though. I think the same problem applies to calling intelligence "largely" genetic.

Re:So is it nature not nurture after all? by mysterypie on Saturday September 29, 2018 @06:07PM (#18103176)
> Malnourishment, or perhaps too much caffeine, amongst a hundred other things, all determine how our genes for height express themselves.

Not arguing your idea in general, but the caffeine example is probably a myth[1].

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/18/health/the-claim-drinking...

Re:So is it nature not nurture after all? by iguy on Saturday September 29, 2018 @06:45PM (#18103375)
"when they say height is mostly genetic ... under current social conditions"

This is always what's meant. Perhaps it should be said more often... but nobody doubts that we can grow a bonsai.

The interesting question is how much do different factors matter in our present environment (and again ideally one should specify, e.g. rich-country & above-poverty-line, not just 201X) and in environments we might reasonably hope to create.

Re:So is it nature not nurture after all? by lifeformed on Saturday September 29, 2018 @07:31PM (#18103607)
The controversy isn't about whether differences exist or not, but rather how strong those differences are, and how much we should factor them into society.