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Re:Coinbase Wants to Be Too Big to Fail by Karunamon on Thursday September 27, 2018 @09:52PM (#18090375)
- Privacy. Yes the blockchain might be public, but good luck tying transactions to identities for selling my purchasing habits, or most other purposes outside of state actor law enforcement. (And even that is arguable with attention to opsec)

- Uncensorability. I can pay whoever I want whatever I want, with no third party able to insert themselves between me and the recipient (or dictate who can send or receive money) for any purpose.

- Irreversibility. Yes, often held up as a weakness, but has its uses. Not all transactions are physical merchandise where a third party enforcing refunds is useful.

Re:Coinbase Wants to Be Too Big to Fail by nradov on Thursday September 27, 2018 @11:20PM (#18090743)
The government is perfectly capable of sending men with guns to forcibly censor or reverse your transactions. Blockchain technology can't stop that.
Re:Coinbase Wants to Be Too Big to Fail by Karunamon on Saturday September 29, 2018 @11:29AM (#18100904)
I'd be willing to wager my life on the fact that the government, any government, lacks the ability, resource, and desire to muster the compute power necessary to reverse a single bitcoin transaction more than a few hours old.
Re:Coinbase Wants to Be Too Big to Fail by nradov on Sunday September 30, 2018 @08:45PM (#18109272)
The government doesn't need to waste time manipulating blockchains. They can simply seize your assets by force.
Re:Coinbase Wants to Be Too Big to Fail by Karunamon on Monday October 01, 2018 @05:22PM (#18116940)
Our government can't even stop people from distributing files containing data they don't like - what makes you think they can magically seize every single copy of a wallet that exists?
Re:Coinbase Wants to Be Too Big to Fail by chii on Friday September 28, 2018 @12:24AM (#18091062)
only if you let them.

An address could be kept anonymous with good op-sec. If you know that your actions are going to attract the ire of some people with guns, you will practise op-sec.

Re:Coinbase Wants to Be Too Big to Fail by nradov on Friday September 28, 2018 @01:07AM (#18091227)
Whatever you say Mr. Secret Agent Man. I'm sure you're a real expert on "op-sec", much better than the FBI or Treasury Department.
Re:Coinbase Wants to Be Too Big to Fail by Karunamon on Saturday September 29, 2018 @11:30AM (#18100912)
Because government agencies would never mislead the public as to the nature and capabilities of their technical offensive capability?
Re:Coinbase Wants to Be Too Big to Fail by CaptainZapp on Friday September 28, 2018 @01:54AM (#18091354)
- Privacy

Well, what's wrong with cash?

- Uncensorability

Well, what's wrong with cash?

- Irreversibility

Well, what's wrong with cash?

Except for the fact that cash is issued by the "evil" government your points provide zero reasons why I should prefer crypto "currencies" over cash.

And that's a purely ideological stance.

Re:Coinbase Wants to Be Too Big to Fail by Karunamon on Saturday September 29, 2018 @11:28AM (#18100896)
Cash doesn't work beyond a range of a few inches? Carrying bitcoin isn't likely to get me stopped by law enforcement? The nature of bitcoin makes seizing it very difficult (given more than one person with the same wallet?)
Re:Coinbase Wants to Be Too Big to Fail by badge on Friday September 28, 2018 @12:25AM (#18091064)
Each of those marketing claims of Bitcoin are not true.

-Privacy: See the recent example where the state sponsored espionage involving sophisticated hackers had their activity traced though Bitcoin's blocktchain transaction log.

Even Monero's XMR is prone to statistical analysis to unmask users:

https://content.sciendo.com/view/journals/popets/2018/3/arti...

https://www.wired.com/story/monero-privacy/

A more serious question will be what happens when the laws catch up with users using a system designed for money laundering, tax evasion, and enabling black markets?

-Uncensorability

The software which enables blockchains and proof of work is susceptible to attacks by motivated state level attackers, so far only smaller blockchains have been targeted (presumably by rival groups with expendable mining resources).

A much easier censorship attack occurs at lower network levels.

  One important point: if we actually include all 7 billion 
  people on the earth, most of whom have zero BTC or 
  Ethereum, the Gini coefficient is essentially 0.99+. And  
  if we just include all balances, we include many dust 
  balances which would again put the Gini coefficient at 
  0.99+. Thus, we need some kind of threshold here. The 
  imperfect threshold we picked was the Gini coefficient 
  among accounts with ≥185 BTC per address, and ≥2477 ETH 
  per address. So this is the distribution of ownership 
  among the Bitcoin and Ethereum rich with $500k as of July 
  2017.


  In what kind of situation would a thresholded metric like 
  this be interesting? Perhaps in a scenario similar to the 
  ongoing IRS Coinbase issue, where the IRS is seeking 
  information on all holders with balances >$20,000. 
  Conceptualized in terms of an attack, a high Gini 
  coefficient would mean that a government would only need 
  to round up a few large holders in order to acquire a 
  large percentage of outstanding cryptocurrency — and with 
  it the ability to tank the price.

  With that said, two points. First, while one would not 
  want a Gini coefficient of exactly 1.0 for BTC or ETH (as 
  then only one person would have all of the digital 
  currency, and no one would have an incentive to help boost 
  the network), in practice it appears that a very high 
  level of wealth centralization is still compatible with 
  the operation of a decentralized protocol. Second, as we 
  show below, we think the Nakamoto coefficient is a better 
  metric than the Gini coefficient for measuring holder 
  concentration in particular as it obviates the issue of 
  arbitrarily choosing a threshold.


  ...However, the maximum Gini coefficient has one obvious 
  issue: while a high value tracks with our intuitive notion 
  of a “more centralized” system, the fact that each Gini 
  coefficient is restricted to a 0–1 scale means that it 
  does not directly measure the number of individuals or 
  entities required to compromise a system.


  Specifically, for a given blockchain suppose you have a 
  subsystem of exchanges with 1000 actors with a Gini 
  coefficient of 0.8, and another subsystem of 10 miners 
  with a Gini coefficient of 0.7. It may turn out that 
  compromising only 3 miners rather than 57 exchanges may be 
  sufficient to compromise this system, which would mean the 
  maximum Gini coefficient would have pointed to exchanges 
  rather than miners as the decentralization bottleneck.


  Conversely, if one considers “number of distinct countries 
  with substantial mining capacity” an essential subsystem, 
  then the minimum Nakamoto coefficient for Bitcoin would 
  again be 1, as the compromise of China (in the sense of a 
  Chinese government crackdown on mining) would result in 
  >51% of mining being compromised.
- Irreversibility

Again, PoW is not immune to "Irreversibility" it actually constantly has a known attack surface for reversing transactions and double spending. The only thing preventing it is so far no only a limited amount of attacks on smaller blockchains have taken place.