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Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by x220 on Thursday September 27, 2018 @05:00PM (#18088621)
Yes, now that it's double illegal, no one will do that anymore.
Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by KirinDave on Thursday September 27, 2018 @05:28PM (#18088898)
It's more like quadruple illegal.

The thing is, these laws are really, really hard to enforce at the federal level and in general municipal and state governments already do an efficient job (and are happy to collect the fines from rich folks with a hobby) executing on local laws.

It's really quite unnecessary.

Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by wbl on Friday September 28, 2018 @04:28AM (#18091821)
Foxhunt the control signal.
Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by KirinDave on Friday September 28, 2018 @03:35PM (#18096369)
I don't use or scout military hardware but if I were planning to use fpv quadcopters for military use the first thing I'd do is get spread spectrum control hardware.
Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by yial on Saturday September 29, 2018 @06:16AM (#18099614)
Most RC anymore used frequency hopping spread spectrum for control. Different brands use different amounts of frequencies they hop between. Though all still in the 2.4, 5.8, or different band. A very select few use two different wavelengths at once. (Dragonlink, crossfire)
Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by gamblor956 on Thursday September 27, 2018 @06:05PM (#18089208)
You know what the difference between a regulatory infraction and a felony are?

One is a fine. The other is a few years in prison. It has quite a bit of a deterrent effect. It won't get everyone, but it will cut down on the number of people who try stunts like that.

Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by wahern on Thursday September 27, 2018 @06:28PM (#18089391)
All they had to do was tweak some wording in 18 U.S.C. § 32 to cover reckless use of drones and other egregious behavior. See https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/32

But drones are hot so why not pass a complex bill with a complex mandate to satisfy regulators itching to pounce on drone hobbyists.

Frankly I assumed the behavior was already criminal under Federal law.[1] Anybody who thought it was okay to buzz airplanes is almost certainly not thinking about consequences.

[1] I'm not completely convinced it's not, FWIW, but I'm satisfied it's not covered by the above, which is the only relevant Federal criminal statute I could find. I'd bet it's already illegal in many states, though.

Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by patmorgan23 on Thursday September 27, 2018 @11:16PM (#18090715)
This is the United States congee we're talking about here their are no simple solutions /s
Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by x220 on Thursday September 27, 2018 @10:51PM (#18090615)
"Do you know what the difference between 20 years and life in prison are?"

What changes people's habits is the likelihood of punishment, not the severity of it.

Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by close04 on Friday September 28, 2018 @04:43AM (#18091866)
Sure... slap on the wrist, prison time, same thing. Of course it makes a difference. Everyone sets an “acceptable” level beyond which it’s no longer worth it to break the rule. This is where the severity makes the difference.
Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by cuboidGoat on Friday September 28, 2018 @09:43AM (#18093257)
The USA has high punishments for murder but less then 50% of murder investigations are solved.

Germany has much lower punishments for murder, but around 90% of murder investigations are solved.

Which of these do you think is the greater deterrence?

Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by gamblor956 on Friday September 28, 2018 @12:44PM (#18094794)
Per local German coverage on reported crime statistics, many crimes go unreported, and a number of crimes that would be included in US crime statistics are exempted from German reporting.

Also, now that Germany has...diversity...the crime rate went up pretty significantly.

So I would say, all in all, that homogenous populations are the greatest deterrence, followed by the magnitude of punishment being significantly more important at a societal level, though the risk of getting caught dominates the thought process for regulatory/low-punishment crimes.

Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by jakobegger on Saturday September 29, 2018 @07:00AM (#18099748)
are you saying that murders go unreported in Germany? I have a hard time believing that.
Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by close04 on Friday September 28, 2018 @01:44PM (#18095339)
There’s also another aspect: whether it’s one life sentence or 5 consecutive might make very little difference. Since prisons in US are big business nobody deals in short sentences. Rehabilitation or deterrence are not the goals, so of course the strategy won’t have the effect you imagine.

When punishments are so disproportionately high a good chunk of the ofenders will stop caring. The preventative effect is gone, it’s more an incentive to escalate the crime to a level where it matches the punishment.

Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by kwhitefoot on Friday September 28, 2018 @01:45PM (#18095350)
But without knowing how many murders and the relevant population sizes I'm not sure that your point is made.
Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by JasonFruit on Friday September 28, 2018 @09:39AM (#18093222)
If they'd shoot me for speeding I'd do less of it.
Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by leetcrew on Friday September 28, 2018 @06:08PM (#18097456)
if speeding was punishable by death but i were as likely to be caught as to die in a terror attack, i would definitely speed as much as i wanted.
Re:Drone Hobbyists Angered by Congress Ending the Aerial Wil... by gamblor956 on Friday September 28, 2018 @12:40PM (#18094764)
Kid, I used to be a public defender. I'm pretty sure I have a better idea of what motivates people not to commit crime than you do.