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Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by watwut on Thursday September 27, 2018 @05:36AM (#18083104)
When parents change approach, kids behavior changes over time. I have seen that happen enough times already to their effect be 0%.

Both in terms of how the kid reacts to situations around and what the kid likes, dislikes or value (consider good vs bad behavior).

Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by rusk on Thursday September 27, 2018 @06:27AM (#18083277)
yeah I think the 0% is questionable, but I am not familiar with the research or how this is parameterised.
Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by watwut on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:18AM (#18083454)
I guess one major parameter will be how much the parent is present in kids life and whether they have good relationship. If the parent is not present, his or her impact will be smaller.
Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by rusk on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:45AM (#18083564)
I agree with you, but GP was citing studies where the control variable you describe was adjusted and no effect measured.
Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by watwut on Thursday September 27, 2018 @08:56AM (#18083960)
Unfortunately, I have no idea which studies GP has in mind and what exactly they measured (whether things related to what I observed or something entirely else), age of kids in question, whether parents had significantly different approaches etc.

I don't think there is scientific a consensus on this yet. I strongly doubt that there is reasonable study that would make the split 50%, 50%, 0%. It is too round, too nice to be true.

Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by rusk on Thursday September 27, 2018 @09:31AM (#18084253)
Like I say, I agree with you in the broader sense but I was making a finer point here. i.e. not whether the premise is true, but just what the scope (or even how valid) was of the research that demonstrated the premise.

GP provides sources in a sibling thread where the discussion is further elaborated.

Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by watwut on Thursday September 27, 2018 @03:30PM (#18087813)
Ah, thanks. I did not seen sibling thread.
Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by bitexploder on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:38AM (#18083535)
Personality is not behavior. I think we are just conflating those somewhat.
Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by rusk on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:44AM (#18083552)
Interesting ... personality strongly mediates behaviour. How else would you "measure" personality? A strict behaviorist (in the line of Watson or Skinner) would say personality doesn't matter or even exist. It's like the life of a subatomic particle - you only know of its effect but what actually goes on in there is forever a mystery.

Unless you want to go psychodynamic on things but you'll have to start making excuses for Freud then!

Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by bitexploder on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:49AM (#18083581)
I guess what I am proposing is not really testable. If behavior is the evidence of personality, maybe personality is always just a back-filled hand wavy explanation to describe the behavioral trends. I guess the reason I think that: there is evidence of that subatomic particle (personality) but it is very elusive.
Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by rusk on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:56AM (#18083616)
> personality is always just a back-filled hand wavy explanation

This is what Watson would have said (in a roundabout way) [0]. Perhaps it's not related but he's not considered to have been a very nice guy. [1] [2]

Skinner was a lot more fun.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Watson#Behaviorism

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Watson#"Little_Albert"...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Watson#Advertising

Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by bitexploder on Thursday September 27, 2018 @08:06AM (#18083676)
Thanks for sharing — I am not very well read on psychology so I probably operate in ignorance a lot. Never enough time to read and learn everything I wish I could.
Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by rusk on Thursday September 27, 2018 @08:22AM (#18083764)
The nice thing about psychology, is understanding a little bit about how the mind works, means you can optimise for increasing your capacity to learn all sorts of other things!