Re:Ask HN: Who here has built a profitable startup while kee...
by ryandrake on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:12PM
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No employer I have ever worked for would even consider modifying this language in their agreement. They are going to have a standard boilerplate and if you try to negotiate or modify it they will tell you “sign it unmodified or GTFO.” Ask me how I know :-)
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Re:Ask HN: Who here has built a profitable startup while kee...
by r_smart on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:28PM
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I got my last employer to agree to change the IP terms. It was a typo in their document nobody caught, that asserted ownership on everything. They were only too happy to fix it so it only applied to work done for them. I did have an industry specific non-compete as well, but it's a fairly narrow segment, so I had no problem signing.
My current employment agreement specifically states I can run whatever enterprise I want outside of work so long as it doesn't interfere with my duties (and presumably their business).
Re:Ask HN: Who here has built a profitable startup while kee...
by buf on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:13PM
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My last two companies have modified their language.
Re:Ask HN: Who here has built a profitable startup while kee...
by karmajunkie on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:21PM
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Yeah, I request changes from both clients and W2 jobs and get most of what I want as well.
Re:Ask HN: Who here has built a profitable startup while kee...
by optymizer on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @03:24PM
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I can confirm that. Two of the top 5 US tech companies told me to sign it as-is or GTFO.
Re:Ask HN: Who here has built a profitable startup while kee...
by sincerely on Thursday September 27, 2018 @01:15AM
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Name and shame :)
Re:Ask HN: Who here has built a profitable startup while kee...
by sneak on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:13PM
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Counter anecdata: Many employers are happily willing to provide such carve-outs for ownership of side projects done at home on the employee’s own time and equipment.
Re:Ask HN: Who here has built a profitable startup while kee...
by lgregg on Thursday September 27, 2018 @12:02AM
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This is interesting. Has this been your personal experience? If so, to what the extent?
Re:Ask HN: Who here has built a profitable startup while kee...
by smoe on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @06:36PM
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At my first ever job, where I was among the first developers after the founders, they got such standard boilerplate template.
I asked them to remove that line and some others, and they did without discussion or trying to pressure me into signing.
They didn't actually notice the line being there when they downloaded it from the internet and it was consequently removed for future contracts.
Re:Ask HN: Who here has built a profitable startup while kee...
by ndnxhs on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @10:09PM
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I know people who have had this part of their agreement removed
Re:Ask HN: Who here has built a profitable startup while kee...
by madeuptempacct on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @09:25PM
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I also got the “sign it unmodified or GTFO.”
Re:Ask HN: Who here has built a profitable startup while kee...
by LyndsySimon on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @09:25PM
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This is not my experience, including early in my career when I worked for FedEx.