Sorry, thats not what I meant. I was half joking/flippant. I meant to imply that Larry Ellison is very good at his job. His job is getting people locked into expensive proprietary languages (embrace and extend java) and DBs. Once your company thrives it becomes very difficult to get off their proprietary tools (which are excellent btw). Then you are forced to pay the man. I actually like the guy. His sailboat racing is really great tech.