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Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by _Codemonkeyism on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @08:12AM (#18075065)
Firefox is spending millions on political goals, failed OS' etc. Only a small portion is put into the progress of FF - speeding up rendering a notable exception.
Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by porker on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @08:19AM (#18075106)
While I appreciate the political work, I would like to see better leadership at Firefox, and less spent on side and failed projects.
Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by ColanR on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @09:02AM (#18075471)
Too bad the founder was kicked out for political reasons. It would have been nice if FF could have focused on technology, while being agnostic to the politics.
Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by Frondo on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:56PM (#18078543)
He wasn't kicked out -- he resigned.

And it was for political reasons that stood to directly affect an unknown number of his employees, the people whose lives would be directly affected by his donation to the anti-gay marriage thing; if those people raise a stink because he's trying to use government to interfere in their lives, I can't fault them.

"I'm going to use my wealth and power to negatively impact your life -- but don't talk about it, that's political." Nope.

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by nil_pointer on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @06:06PM (#18080661)
That's not entirely accurate, he was forced out
Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by CorpusCalcium on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @06:38PM (#18080861)
No, he wasn't. He wasn't accepted as CEO by enough employees, but he could have stepped down and retained another position in the company, like CTO. Even he recognizes that Mozilla leadership wanted him to stay on board, but he chose to quit and pursue his own project. Which is fine. It just doesn't mean he was "forced" out any more than the people who quit because they couldn't stand him being CEO were "forced" out.
Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by BrendanEich on Thursday September 27, 2018 @01:37PM (#18086810)
Why are you asserting false claims without being able to support them?

As CEO I had already reorged Mozilla, and CTO was lined up for someone else (Andreas Gal). I was not offered any particular C level position by anyone with authority over such things.

I did not leave because of any of my employees objecting to me. If you are thinking of the handful of Mozilla Foundation employees who tweeted on March 27th against me (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/mozil...), none of them worked for me. The Mozilla Foundation is arms-length from the Mozilla Corporation.

I also did not quit to pursue my own project; Brave was not founded until May 2015. I resigned to avoid Mozilla taking any more damage from mob action kicked off by someone who demanded that I be "completely removed from any day to day activities at Mozilla" (http://web.archive.org/web/20180621041436/http://www.teamrar... -- the blog seems broken but the Web archive has snapshots).

It's clear you just asserted falsehoods that make you comfortable. But you not only did not know what you were asserting to be true, you could not possibly know whether it was true. That's wishful thinking at best, and tantamount to lying at worst.

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by _Codemonkeyism on Friday September 28, 2018 @04:39AM (#18091848)
Only on HN one could write about a tech "celebrity" (not meant as an insult) and the person shows up and corrects you.
Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by toyg on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @10:05AM (#18076020)
"The" founder? Eich was hired by the original Netscape, and ended up as one of the many "founders" that moved to the Mozilla project from there. He did not "found" Firefox either, that project was started by others.
Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by _Codemonkeyism on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @08:27AM (#18075193)
I have nothing against political work, but I think they should just give money to the EFF instead of doing their own - they are much better at the job, imagine what they would do with 300M$.

And FF should focus on the browser because this is their cash cow, and progress is needed. But as the declining usage numbers show, FF employes just do what they want, riding FF to death then jumping ship to raid the next project. As a longtime FF user (25y) you're just left in the dust.

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by shady-lady on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @08:39AM (#18075294)
Exactly. Employees who get to engage in the theatre of running a software company with 0 risk.

They need an oversight committee (from outside the valley preferably)

Anybody got the breakdown on community commits to FF vs. employee commits?

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by gsnedders on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @08:46AM (#18075346)
> Anybody got the breakdown on community commits to FF vs. employee commits?

Last time I saw anyone try to do this, it was vastly predominately employee commits (this isn't that surprising, there are hundreds of people working full-time on Firefox at Mozilla, and very few spending a comparable amount of time per day in the larger community); it's hard to get exact numbers because determining whether a commit is by an employee or not is hard (e.g., there's no requirement for employees to use Mozilla email addresses for their commits).

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by the_duke on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @10:26AM (#18076241)
Left in the dust? I have no idea what you are talking about.

Current Firefox is better than ever for me.

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by _Codemonkeyism on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @11:43AM (#18077090)
Tab management is as bad as ever, I need to turn of spy configs all the time to still use it, it broke most of the plugins I used etc. etc.
Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by vezycash on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @08:55AM (#18075416)
Quantum is the result of two side projects - Rust and Servo.
Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by _red on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @08:17AM (#18075096)
Ever since they forced out Brendan (co-founder and creator of javascript no less) because of their political intolerance, FF has really started to go down hill. Each release you have to go through more about:config settings to turn off all their "helper" apps (ie. spyware partnerships).
Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by toyg on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @10:10AM (#18076071)
> Ever since they forced out Brendan [...] FF has really started to go down hill

I'm sorry you weren't around when Firefox (then called Phoenix) was really good, but most FF problems pre-date 2014. They are actually being addressed just about now.

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @11:13AM (#18076747)
I used Phoenix (from about 0.6 IIRC) and for the most part had FF as my main browser - trialing alternatives occasionally (Opera, Flock, Chrome, etc.) and doing web testing with others (Links, IEx, android browser, Maxthon, etc.).

When Eich was ousted it seemed like things took a sea change and we started getting "commercial" stuff shoved in our faces (alright, stuck on our toolbars). Firefox doesn't appear to be a high moral FOSS project trying to release us from the grip of commercial enterprise taking over the web -- as it did to me before. They went from being very user-centric to being a bit more like Microsoft (of old, at least): "we added a non-removable addon to /our/ browser", rather than "would you like to add this addon to your browser".

Now I've no idea if the removal of Eich's influence on "business philosophy" was behind that; could be a coincidence. But, either way FF seems to have changed for the worse IMO.

Mind, I'm still mourning the demise of Opera Unite -- with their browser as a server concept -- which seemed to be on track to change the focus of the web and give us the distributed peering that has always seemed to be the proper focus for the web+internet.

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by _Codemonkeyism on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @06:05AM (#18120179)
For Mozilla FF is now only a money making machine, they've lost all interest in a browser, they use it to further their political goals.

As a browser user I have nothing about political goals or making money, as long as the browser experience comes first.

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by toyg on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @11:54AM (#18077207)
Nah, the tension was already there, since forever. It’s just that, after the failure of the misguided FFOS white elephant, they have gone back to the realization that their main source of funding will remain the browser for the foreseeable future, and that inspired (and inspires) some poor choices here and there. Eich’s departure was coincidental, imho. Quantum (which is very good) came way after he left, for example.