Re:The epic rise and fall of the name Heather
by m-i-l on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @11:09AM
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I think the "bath" is the long "a" vs short "a" split[0] (usually associated with north of England vs south of England) rather than r insertion. There is however something called the "intrusive r" among "non rhotic" speakers "such as those in most of England and Wales" [1] which I learned about thanks to this recent research, where "r"s are inserted where they don't exist, e.g. "supernova-r-in the sky" and "law-r-and order".
Re:The epic rise and fall of the name Heather
by alistoriv on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @12:28PM
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>"such as those in most of England and Wales"
Aren't Welsh dialects generally rhotic?
Re:The epic rise and fall of the name Heather
by buckminster on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @11:06AM
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They are not adding an r. That's a long a. True, they are pronouncing bath like many English people would pronounce barth; but that is without an audible r.
Re:The epic rise and fall of the name Heather
by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @02:01PM
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It's not rolled, but if you don't call that an "r" sound then there's no "r" in many areas of UK. It's different to a long a, it's like a shortened "r" with no roll and the tongue further forward, but not as hollow as a long a.
Presumably you think "hearth" doesn't have discernible "[a]r" sound either?
Re:The epic rise and fall of the name Heather
by thaumasiotes on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @05:51PM
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> if you don't call that an "r" sound then there's no "r" in many areas of UK.
By itself, that is not a compelling argument. There is in fact no postvocalic R in many areas of the UK.
Re:The epic rise and fall of the name Heather
by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @11:39AM
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I think what I'm referring to is that shown in the map (1950s) at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhoticity_in_English#Distribut.... The alveolar and retroflex variants, which to my ear give an r sound distinct from, for example [ɑː].
Ha, there's such variations in accent it's quite hard to make statements like this that apply generally.
Some like to add "r"s where they don't exist too: Bath - barth vs ba-th.
Strangely my mother and [only] one of my sons both have this more RP approach to pronounciation.