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Re:When Do We Have Empathy for the Mentally Ill? by DanBC on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @06:18AM (#18064981)
A person can be a shitty person, or a shitty person because of mental illness.

Occam's razor prefers the first, right? You're introducing an additional explanation.

Re:When Do We Have Empathy for the Mentally Ill? by samatman on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @08:39AM (#18065790)
Occam's razor is the simplest explanation, not the simplest statement.

Tautology has no explanatory power.

Re:When Do We Have Empathy for the Mentally Ill? by DanBC on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @05:19PM (#18070572)
Incorrect explanations have less explanatory power.
Re:When Do We Have Empathy for the Mentally Ill? by samatman on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @06:04AM (#18074411)
This is true, but Occam's Razor is "the simplest explanation is usually correct", so we have an infinite regress.
Re:When Do We Have Empathy for the Mentally Ill? by westoncb on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @04:02PM (#18069974)
Not if they've already been diagnosed with a mental illness, which is the situation at hand.
Re:When Do We Have Empathy for the Mentally Ill? by DanBC on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @05:18PM (#18070559)
ok, so this is more like the Linda Problem. It is more likely that a person is a shitty person than a person is a shitty person and has a mental illness.
Re:When Do We Have Empathy for the Mentally Ill? by westoncb on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @05:42PM (#18070752)
Hmm, there's an element you've left out of the situation that makes it different from a straight Linda Problem though. In logical terms, it looks like this.

  mental_illness -> shittiness
  being_a_naturally_shitty_person -> shittiness
And we know know two things: 1) the person in question is exhibiting shittiness 2) the person in question has been diagnosed with a mental illness. So:

  mental_illness = true
  shittiness = true
Whether being_a_naturally_shitty_person is true or false is something we have no information on.

So, from that starting point, we already have an account for the shittiness being exhibited since:

  mental_illness -> shittiness

  and

  mental_ilness = true
So if we want to go ahead and make the additional claim that being_a_naturally_shitty_person = true —you're violating Occam's Razor by introducing an unnecessary second cause when we already had a sufficient first one.