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Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by rajuvegesna on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:51AM (#18055555)
Zoho Mail is a strong option. Comes with mobile apps, supports all standard protocols (IMAP/POP/ActiveSync), includes Calendar and many other modules. Zero tracking. Zero ads.

Beyond Mail, Zoho offers several apps that can replace most of what Google offers. From Docs to office suite, note-taking to chat and many more.

(Disclosure: I am with Zoho)

Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by plicense on Monday September 24, 2018 @07:21AM (#18056723)
To be honest, I would stay away from Zoho.

I know a couple of friends who work there and they frequently mention having access to raw email contents with minimal supervision. That's now how I want my email to be treated by the company hosting my email services.

Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by radhavembu on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @12:26AM (#18063596)
I am Radha Vembu, the product manager for Zoho Mail and would like to clarify the process we follow:

For troubleshooting issues, we generally refer to email delivery status and activity logs of the user to help us understand the sequence of steps involved for a reported issue.

There are special cases related to spam/abuse for which we request the user to share the email headers/content whichever is applicable to the issue.

There are even rare instances of issues with mail parsing and to debug those cases, we ask our users for the complete original content of the email to simulate the problem.

You can also see our support team asking the users to share the original content of the email for debugging some of the issues, as seen in the links below.

https://help.zoho.com/portal/community/topic/disable-blue-li...

https://help.zoho.com/portal/community/topic/emails-going-as...

https://help.zoho.com/portal/community/topic/emails-forwarde...

https://help.zoho.com/portal/community/topic/my-incoming-ema...

We take the privacy and safeguarding of customer data extremely seriously, and adhere to the strict policies that govern access to user data.

Sorry for making you feel that we access our user's data without permission. That is far from the truth.

Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by dailen on Monday September 24, 2018 @10:52AM (#18058168)
Most email providers have some sort of ability to seeing raw data. That's the problem with email protocols, not the company. When necessary it's largely used for legal purposes (i.e. think subpoenas or court evidence in general), virus tracking (finding who got the first one or first to open "that email"), technical issues, etc.

I can personally say I know how sift through probably 5 or 6 different email systems or providers for this kind of data. It may seem "creepy", it did to me at first, but after awhile you realize, in business at least, there's really nothing of interest. Probably only like 99.999% of emails exchanged will have nothing incriminating, embarrassing, or even worth reading. It's kind of like being the key holder for a safe. Someone's gotta be the keyholder and be able to access the data for when necessary. Sometimes there's an inherent level of trust required and usually they just dgaf what's there.

It's kind of like a virtual manifestation of the "IT Closet" that almost all companies have. A bunch of places I've worked there's a office or closet where all the old PCs, laptops, and hard drives get stashed away. All the IT staff get access, and yes the could go rummaging around looking for personal pics, old tax records, etc, most of the time it's just not a valid concern worth anyone's time to steal or protect.

Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by doon123 on Monday September 24, 2018 @09:50AM (#18057638)
What??? >>>> " having access to raw email contents with minimal supervision "

Is this is big company? How many clients do they have? This comment must be emailed to all of them...

Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by vjsc on Monday September 24, 2018 @09:42AM (#18057561)
Thanks for the information. It's quite amazing and shocking to hear that these guys are able to look at their customers emails.

That must be some kind of violation liable for a court case.

Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by cerberusss on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @01:09AM (#18063752)
It's hearsay. For a counterargument: Zoho product manager replied in this thread.
Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by em0ney on Monday September 24, 2018 @09:20AM (#18057392)
Yikes. Thanks for sharing, this is noted.
Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by have_faith on Monday September 24, 2018 @04:16AM (#18055891)
I will add that we use Zoho at work and have issues with emails about weekly. Their web interfaces are not very well designed although they do work OK.
Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by wheresvic1 on Monday September 24, 2018 @04:11AM (#18055868)
I can also second Zoho. It's primary target is small business and they have a massive suite of features but I'm just using their email and calendar.

Their web interface is a bit annoying as you need to make a couple of clicks to get to the email but they provide mobile apps as well as IMAP access.

So far I have not had any issues so I cannot say what their support is like.

Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by luchosrock on Monday September 24, 2018 @09:33AM (#18057496)
Not anymore :( They dropped IMAP and POP support for the free tier on new domains. They are part of the $2/user/month tier now
Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by dotdi on Monday September 24, 2018 @05:01AM (#18056065)
+1 for Zoho.

I use their completely free service for all my custom domains and I find the webmail pretty good. The web applications, in general, are pretty actively maintained, with new features every few months. Only had one bigger issue over the years and they resolved it within 24 hours.

They also have a native dark theme on webmail that is pretty decent.

Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by maltalex on Monday September 24, 2018 @06:37AM (#18056511)
Zoho is great for two more reasons:

1. Their free offering comes with support for custom domains, which is pretty unique.

2. There's Zoho.com and Zoho.eu. You can open your account on Zoho.eu if you prefer having your email hosted in the EU.

Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by doon123 on Monday September 24, 2018 @09:57AM (#18057695)
Hi, you clearly seem to be affiliated with Zoho... Here is your comment from 6 days ago ..

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18008334

Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by _wmd on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:22PM (#18060002)
Parent comment just states facts, why even bother suggesting they're affiliated somehow? Meanwhile I'm not affiliated with Zoho in any way, and can confirm their free service is awesome. I've got 2 custom domains on it and couldn't be happier
Re:Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail? by maltalex on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:13PM (#18059430)
Does everyone who mentions iPhones work for Apple?

I'm not affiliated with Zoho in any way except being a customer. Yes, the topic of email hosting comes up from time to time and I mention the host I use.