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Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by Twirrim on Sunday September 23, 2018 @05:03PM (#18053185)
It doesn't for _now_. Which is no small part of his point. The next step is to automatically turn on sync etc, which is an easier step now people will start to be used to the idea they're automatically signed in to stuff in Chrome.

The main thrust though, is that this doesn't actually solve anything for end users that the Google Chrome team says it does. There appears to be absolutely no benefit in turning this on.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by reaperducer on Sunday September 23, 2018 @05:14PM (#18053255)
The main thrust though, is that this doesn't actually solve anything for end users that the Google Chrome team says it does. There appears to be absolutely no benefit in turning this on.

Over the last year or so, it feels more and more like Google, as a company, is getting desperate. Like it feels the external tide of popular opinion turning against it. But rather than mend its ways, a decision has been made somewhere to slurp up as much information as possible as quickly and quietly as possible, before it all comes tumbling down around it.

I wonder if GDPR was the turning point. Even my boss, who on a computer literacy scale of Linda Lovelace to Ada Lovelace ranks near the bottom of the scale, asked me to explain GDPR to her.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by IBM on Sunday September 23, 2018 @07:09PM (#18053843)
It's not GDPR. If anything, GDPR will help undo some of this as test cases in the EU are litigated.

I think the change happened shortly after Ruth Porat was brought on and the Alphabet reorganization was announced (Larry Page wanted to retire without having that be the headline). There was clearly a change in mandate to start monetizing more aggressively and you started seeing the ad load increase across all their properties. That all happened during a lull in Google's stock price. It started trending upwards after Porat signaled to investors that all the money pits would be cut back.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by tomjakubowski on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:44PM (#18053721)
Is Linda Lovelace famous for having poor computer literacy? I know her for something else.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by hexane360 on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:02AM (#18055363)
How does your boss' opinion of GDPR relate to her opinion of Google?
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by mtgx on Sunday September 23, 2018 @05:32PM (#18053366)
I think it was also more advertisers switching to facebook and new ones giving fb ads a try first and not even considering Google ads (btw the rebranding from Google adworfs is another sign that Google is losing new advertisers to FB and yet another thing pointing to that desperation).

This ultimately affects Google's future growth and it's why you'll see Google do more such "desperate" moves like trying to become a military contractor, building its own iPhone-like phones, tracking users more aggressively, and I imagine android users will soon see os-wide ads, too.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by fencepost on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:37AM (#18055495)
I imagine android users will soon see os-wide ads, too.

Except they won't be OS-wide, they'll be Play Services wide and mandatory if you're an vendor including Play Services.

If you don't want Google's ads, you can go do your own thing on AOSP like Amazon and other largely-flopped attempts.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by shawnz on Sunday September 23, 2018 @05:26PM (#18053332)
> The main thrust though, is that this doesn't actually solve anything for end users that the Google Chrome team says it does.

Yes it does, it solves the exact problem described right in the article. Before this change, there would be a seperate log-in process for Chrome versus every other google service (which normally all share your current login status). Now, your login status is shared between every google service including Chrome, as a layperson would expect. Previously people who wanted to be logged into Chrome AND other google services would have to complete the login process twice which could be confusing for novice users.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by torstenvl on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:41PM (#18053707)
> there would be a seperate log-in process for Chrome versus every other google service

Chrome is not a Google service. It is a web browser. It should act like one.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by plorkyeran on Sunday September 23, 2018 @11:53PM (#18054888)
Google clearly considers Chrome to be a Google service and not just a web browser.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by shawnz on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:57PM (#18053793)
Is that just your opinion, or do you genuinely believe most Chrome users see it that way?
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by dithering on Sunday September 23, 2018 @07:34PM (#18053949)
We could apply the principle of least astonishment to get a feel for correct behaviour without resorting to sterile arguments about what proportion of users understand the difference between a web site and a web browser.

If they looked at a slightly risque URL on their phone, would the average user expect Chrome on their laptop to autocomplete that URL?

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by shawnz on Sunday September 23, 2018 @08:18PM (#18054131)
The current behavior does not activate syncing by default in spite of the slippery slope arguments being made here. Furthermore i think most users would in fact expect syncing like that to work with minimal configuration in this day and age.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by torstenvl on Sunday September 23, 2018 @11:16PM (#18054781)
Please be civil with people who have a different perspective. The implication that the opposing position is outmoded is not a logical argument, it's an insulting one. "In this day and age," I'd think we could learn to be less dismissive of people.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by dithering on Monday September 24, 2018 @04:01AM (#18055819)
Well he was replying to me and I didn't read him as uncivil at all.

His response ("syncing is expected") is completely on-point when talking about the PoLS. I disagree, obviously, and think syncing is scary voodoo magic. I don't see how you can say "users are unsophisticated and don't understand the difference between web sites and web browsers" and also say "users are sophisticated and expected config syncing".

Unfortunately, to get any further we have to test users.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by md_ on Sunday September 23, 2018 @05:34PM (#18053375)
If I’m not mistaken, this also ensures that when you sign out of Gmail, you are signed out of Chrome (no?). That seems like a win for user privacy, insofar as it addresses the likely failure mode of mistakenly leaving the browser signed in after signing out of the website.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by plttn on Monday September 24, 2018 @12:39AM (#18055071)
Yes, this pauses sync when you sign out of Gmail.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by jiggunjer on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:15AM (#18055190)
No. Pauses sync but doesn't sign out Chrome. So a person could still see your history/bookmarks/passwords in the logged-in browser. They just can't wipe your cloud data (which I think was the same before this update).
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by md_ on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:43AM (#18055525)
You mean they can see local history? Sure, but that’s true in most browsers. That’s nothing to do with your signed in state, right?
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by jiggunjer on Monday September 24, 2018 @03:09AM (#18055617)
Yes I was thinking about chrome profiles. My mistake. But from what I remember, when you choose to log out, Chrome prompts you if you want to wipe your local data. So logging out locally allows you to protect some data. I think there was a way to log out remotely (tricky/weird way), though again without the local-wipe prompt.

I also just tried signing in to chrome (69.0.3497.100), and it tried to sync immediately again, so I'm not sure where the "sync is optional" idea comes from?

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by ryandrake on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:19PM (#18053613)
> there would be a seperate log-in process for Chrome versus every other google service (which normally all share your current login status).

Sorry, not much of a Chrome user here. Why would I want to “sign in” to a web browser? I’ve been browsing the web successfully for decades without doing so. I don’t sign in to my text editor either.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by WillPostForFood on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:28PM (#18053652)
I understand the privacy concerns, but I find it very useful as I go between desktop and laptop often. It syncs bookmarks, history, tabs, settings, autofill, extensions, etc.. There have been plugins for this stuff for decades as well, so it is something that people find useful.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by felipelemos on Sunday September 23, 2018 @05:24PM (#18053317)
"We had to enable the sync by default because it was causing confusion with people that are already signed in and are expecting to have all their info in sync".

It's not hard to imagine that this could be their reasoning around the change in the future.