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Re:Let Teenagers Sleep In by lordnacho on Sunday September 23, 2018 @07:20AM (#18050551)
This teenager sleep cycle thing is a bit of a revelation to me. I thought I just had bad habits, but when I was that age, I'd play games most of the evening, maybe do one or two bits of homework at 10om, and then possibly stay up to 1am with some essay that I'd procrastinate on for ages. I'd wake up at something like 7am and sleep on the train until I got into school, and then sleep after getting home at about 4pm for an hour or two.

It would have been a lot more comfortable getting in for maybe 10am and leaving at 5pm. I remember sometimes you'd have a special day in the week where there were no classes in the morning, meaning you started late. And then maybe an extra lesson or activity in the evening. But similar length of day, shifted, felt much better.

Having worked for longer than I went to school for now, I think the school calendar needs an overhaul. There's no reason to take a huge holiday in the summer. In fact, why have any holiday at all? Just have school on all the time, and let people take holidays whenever they want, like at work. You won't forget things as easily taking week or two week holidays as against 8 week ones. Also it means parents won't have their holidays dictated by the school.

Within the day, I also wonder about the frequency of context switches. You might be taking 6 classes a day: PE, French, Math, English, History, Physics.

Now image you are coding, and you do this: Troubleshoot the rendering issue on the website, install a lock free ring on your trading system, write a SIMD function in CUDA, fix your cmake file dependencies, add unit tests to your CI script, and set up Kubernetes.

Would you do those things one at a time, or in little pieces where you have to pick up where you left off arbitrarily?

It seems you should have large blocks, maybe just morning and afternoon, rather than dozens of little classes each week.

But then possibly as a teenager concentration is an issue, I don't know. I certainly think it's better to focus on one thing at a time, quite a long time, before changing contexts.

Re:Let Teenagers Sleep In by stephen_g on Sunday September 23, 2018 @07:32AM (#18050590)
Same thing when I was having massive sleep issues with years of constantly having symptoms of chronic sleep deprivation. Turned out I just had a condition called ‘delayed sleep phase disorder’. Being diagnosed and reading about sleep cycles was also a bit of a revelation to me. DSPD pretty much just means that as an adult I have a similar circadian rhythm to an adeloscent. As soon as I started regularly getting up at around 10am instead of 7-8am and just going to bed when I felt tired, all the symptoms disappeared, with no meds or anything.

It’s lucky that I have a flexible workplace and a supervisor who has a kid with a sleep disorder, because the hardest thing about having this disorder is that it’s so hard for anybody with a normal cycle to understand how inflexible circadian rhythms are. You hear all sorts of BS about “you just need to be more disciplined”, etc. which just doesn’t work.

Re:Let Teenagers Sleep In by kasey_junk on Sunday September 23, 2018 @07:35AM (#18050602)
Block scheduling has been common for years and “balanced” schedules where you don’t have large summer breaks are becoming common as well.

The latter is harder because of how many societal conventions we’ve built up. There are lots of systems in place for childcare in the summer. Less so for longer fall/winter/spring breaks. This largely isn’t a huge deal for teenagers but having school systems operating on 2 major calendars is a challenge.

Re:Let Teenagers Sleep In by kart23 on Sunday September 23, 2018 @09:51AM (#18051074)
Honestly, I disagree with you on the summer part. When I was in high school, summer gave everyone a much needed break, and gave us the opportunity to work a job, do internships, and prepare for the sat/act. Summer is a time where students dont need to feel bound by school and do what they want, which is important for learning to be an adult.
Re:Let Teenagers Sleep In by jrnichols on Sunday September 23, 2018 @08:52AM (#18050857)
I agree with this as well. No matter how hard I tried, I could not fall asleep early enough to get a decent nights sleep before having to be back at school in the morning. "Just go to bed earlier" and all of the other unhelpful suggestions lofted my way did not solve the problem. As a result, I suffered greatly with chronic fatigue throughout high school and beyond.

Had I been able to sleep properly during those years, I might be a completely different person now.

To this day, I cannot (and will not) work a Monday-Friday 8-5 job.

Re:Let Teenagers Sleep In by chillacy on Sunday September 23, 2018 @12:23PM (#18051777)
This bothers me too. Knowing the sleep requirements of teenagers and how much I actually got, and knowing the effects of sleep deprivation on cognition and growth, I can only imagine that I’d be smarter and taller with proper sleep (and better nutrition) while growing up.
Re:Let Teenagers Sleep In by Tongueincheek on Sunday September 23, 2018 @09:21AM (#18050954)
9 to 5 is the norm. 8 to 5 is absurd.