Re:Ask HN: Shortest route to $60K+ salary without college
by NPMaxwell on Friday September 21, 2018 @07:10PM
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As I was crafting this question, I included "(Apologies for fanning the flames of get-rich-quick/impatience/tiny-training-big-promises.)" To shorten it, I took that out. I love Norvig's "Teach Yourself Programming in Ten Years" http://norvig.com/21-days.html.
I doubt I'll be able to do this with enough people to have any noticeable impact on the programming world. I'm not seeing much in the way of scaling (or monetization) anytime soon.
Re:Ask HN: Shortest route to $60K+ salary without college
by croo on Friday September 21, 2018 @06:34AM
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Oracle's Java SE certification exams are actually quite hard.
Re:Ask HN: Shortest route to $60K+ salary without college
by bdcravens on Friday September 21, 2018 @09:32AM
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Passing an exam means you're a good exam taker, not a good programmer.
Re:Ask HN: Shortest route to $60K+ salary without college
by croo on Saturday September 22, 2018 @04:18PM
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Nah, this exam actually means you have an abnormal understanding of Java and a good understanding of how OOP works. It also means you can read and understand code fast. It does not mean you are a good team player or have experience in building things. To say that the code in the exams are not clean code is an understatement though. The questions usually grab all clean code practices by the neck and murder it violently then asks questions about the output. So there's that.
Re:Ask HN: Shortest route to $60K+ salary without college
by NPMaxwell on Friday September 21, 2018 @07:06PM
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True. And and exam does not mean you'll be able to get past the interview questions. But does the Java cert get you the interview?
Re:Ask HN: Shortest route to $60K+ salary without college
by NPMaxwell on Friday September 21, 2018 @07:07PM
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Yes. I've heard that. I'm guessing that hiring managers/HR is aware of that, and that the qualification makes a difference. Does that seem right?
Re:Ask HN: Shortest route to $60K+ salary without college
by croo on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @02:53AM
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I'm aware because I tried the exams. I also happen to sometimes interview people and for me a fresh certificate of this exam means I'm immediately satisfied with the basic programming skills of that person and can tackle other topics. But I don't know how common this knowledge is among recruiters.
Oh great, flooding the already low quality programming industry with even more "in it for a quick buck and I don't really care about quality" programmers?