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Re:China’s all-seeing surveillance network by yesenadam on Thursday September 20, 2018 @05:51AM (#18030985)
Better title - Social credit: China's digital dictatorship

Pretty horrifying story, sounds like Black Mirror.

Re:China’s all-seeing surveillance network by bopbop on Thursday September 20, 2018 @06:19AM (#18031105)
Yeah, the title is awful - I was happier with the article then I thought I'd be, as it did go in to some of the negative points. To point to any atomic automatic judgment of ones citizens based on their beliefs as a good thing is a bit of a weird view, however. The examples they give are all terrifying.

It's also not great that the lady they report as pro social credit is only revealed later on in the piece as being married to a high ranking party member. She's introduced as "a marketing professional" when I'd argue the most relevant facts towards her support/non-support of such a system would be that she is married to "a civil servant in the justice department, a loyal cadre to the party."

The article makes several strange emotional appeals regarding her, actually. For instance, I'm glad she "married for love", but I don't see why it would be relevant to the issue at hand unless it was an attempt to further humanize her and, by extension, this new Permanent Spotlight system.

Re:China’s all-seeing surveillance network by clouddrover on Thursday September 20, 2018 @07:57AM (#18031570)
> I'm glad she "married for love", but I don't see why it would be relevant

They're just making the point that she didn't marry him for his social credit score, even though he happens to have a high score under the system.

To quote the article immediately prior to that section:

"Who your friends and family are will affect your score. If your best friend or your dad says something negative about the government, you’ll lose points too. Who you date and ultimately partner with will also affect social credit."

It seems like your social credit score is positioned as your key to happiness. Better not get a bad one or associate with anyone who did. Better not wreck your child's future by saying something bad about the government.

Re:China’s all-seeing surveillance network by bopbop on Thursday September 20, 2018 @08:29AM (#18031794)
>They're just making the point that she didn't marry him for his social credit score, even though he happens to have a high score under the system.

Yes, that makes sense. I still hold that the deliberate omission of her party relationship until later in the article is to initially position her as a third party positive voice who happens to support the system.

And yes, the network affects are particularly awful.

Re:China’s all-seeing surveillance network by bopbop on Thursday September 20, 2018 @07:39AM (#18031467)
Just for reference the original title was 'Leave no dark corner'
Re:China’s all-seeing surveillance network by perilunar on Thursday September 20, 2018 @08:03AM (#18031600)
I get that as a page title, but a different 'title' in the URL. Maybe they are AB testing the title?
Re:China’s all-seeing surveillance network by qubax on Thursday September 20, 2018 @09:26AM (#18032232)
Here you go from a few hours ago.

"China is building a digital dictatorship to exert control over its 1.4B citizens"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18026060

They aren't even waiting 24 hours.

Re:China’s all-seeing surveillance network by thunder60 on Friday September 21, 2018 @09:37AM (#18039567)
And this one

"China's Dystopian Social Credit System"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18036768

less than 24 hours later.

Re:China’s all-seeing surveillance network by perilunar on Thursday September 20, 2018 @08:14AM (#18031694)
So which is worse, the Black Mirror scenario (everyone rates each other), or the Chinese real-life version (the Communist Party rates you)?

Is it better to fear the State or your fellow citizens?

The Black Mirror episode, btw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive_(Black_Mirror)

Re:China’s all-seeing surveillance network by jerf on Thursday September 20, 2018 @09:01AM (#18032032)
"So which is worse, the Black Mirror scenario (everyone rates each other), or the Chinese real-life version (the Communist Party rates you)?"

The one that you'll get, which is that due to the opacity of the system, it presents itself as one in which everyone rates each other, but in fact the government or other control mechanism nominally different from but ultimately indistinguishable from the government has a heavy hand in both the ability to manipulate the judgment and the ability to manipulate the seeds of who is successful and thus has high ratings. It presents itself as fair and all egalitarian and makes it seem like anything that goes wrong is your friend's fault or something, but is in fact strictly controlled.