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Re:Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install lo... by snaky on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @02:12PM (#18026364)
Companies that don't sell physical goods don't have much choice too.

> A prototype search engine that Google is designing to meet the scrutiny of Chinese officials links users’ phone numbers to the searches they perform

> This report adds to earlier news, also broken by The Intercept about the search engine, codenamed “Dragonfly,” which eliminates from results a number of terms and topics, like freedom and democracy.

http://fortune.com/2018/09/14/google-china-search-engine-lin...

Re:Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install lo... by jackhack on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @03:08PM (#18026854)
I think they have plenty of choice. They can say "no", tell these regressive regimes to go to hell, and simply not manufacture/sell their product there, where-ever "there" may be.
Re:Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install lo... by freeflight on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @10:49PM (#18029385)
> They can say "no", tell these regressive regimes

The US has made pretty similar demands from Google and Twitter and Facebook not too long ago, in the context of "Russian election interference" and even before that on the basis of "terrorist radicalization".

The big difference here is that if the US demands it, it becomes the de-facto global standard. The results of this are subtle, but creeping. [0]

At this point, the aforementioned three are subcontracting a whole little industry of "content moderators" in places like Manila in the Philippines. Where hundreds of people do nothing but "moderate" social media content, they literally "okay" or "delete" videos and pictures on social media.

French channel ARTE made a really interesting, and quite creepy, documentary about it called "The Cleaners" [1]. Sadly it's only been available in French/German, and has been depublished by now, but an English version was shown at Sundance, so that should exist.

[0] https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/wnxdv5/the-artist...

[1]https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/069881-000-A/im-schatten-der-n...

Re:Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install lo... by comboy on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @03:56PM (#18027211)
Do note, that based on those quotes it is not clear that backdoors requested by the US gov are not installed in the US. He just said they don't install any of them globally.
Re:Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install lo... by close04 on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @04:22PM (#18027403)
You're going to be spied on one way or another. I guess it's a matter of picking the side you want to make life easier for. The one you trust more with your data :).
Re:Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install lo... by claydavisss on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @04:13PM (#18027333)
How many times has Google or Facebook rejected a subpoena to turn over a user's data?
Re:Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install lo... by snaky on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @04:13PM (#18027332)
And then go to filtering the "fake news" out, saying "yes" to 'progressive' regimes? Because there is a strict difference between Good and Bad censorship and tracking, right?
Re:Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install lo... by netwanderer2 on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @04:25PM (#18027431)
If only business was really that simple. Apple manufactures all their devices in China. Even Google and Facebook are trying to get back to the Chinese market now.

People within the industry expect China to win the AI race by 2030 simply because they have a huge data source advantage which leads to better results. It was not a coincidence that Google significantly ramped up their data mining activities when they decided to switch from a "Mobile first" to an "AI first" company. Why do you think Google and Facebook are suddenly willing to bend over to the Chinese government demands just to establish their presence there?

Re:Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install lo... by karakot on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @04:55PM (#18027632)
"The Capitalist will sell us the Rope that we will hang them with."
Re:Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install lo... by snaky on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @05:14PM (#18027772)
If the cheap small mini-fabs to make your own chips to avoid backdoors eventually will become reality, they will be made in China, that's for sure.
Re:Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install lo... by responseguy on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @03:24PM (#18026970)
The shareholders do not agree that that is an option.