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Re:The Number of Youth in Juvenile Detention in California H... by dv_dt on Monday September 17, 2018 @02:32PM (#18008619)
That sounds more like a problem with the police, and not a problem with the law.
Re:The Number of Youth in Juvenile Detention in California H... by pnw_hazor on Monday September 17, 2018 @02:39PM (#18008701)
Prosecutors decide whether to charge. Cops quickly learn that arresting people that will not be charged is a waste of their time.

Seattle has a similar policy. Property crimes are not enforced.

Re:The Number of Youth in Juvenile Detention in California H... by dv_dt on Monday September 17, 2018 @02:42PM (#18008733)
Ok this still seems like a problem with enforcement and not with the law. We should not need increased sentences simply to get police protection from nuisance behavior. Undue inflation of consequences for smaller crimes has many negative side effects for our society - including increased cost of incarceration and long-term negative productivity of citizens. This is why these crimes were reduced in their sentencing - it seems like enforcement needs to catch up on a new balance.
Re:The Number of Youth in Juvenile Detention in California H... by michaelmrose on Monday September 17, 2018 @03:01PM (#18008928)
I don't think Seattle has any such policy. Can you back this up?
Re:The Number of Youth in Juvenile Detention in California H... by vkou on Monday September 17, 2018 @02:50PM (#18008824)
If the police really wanted to deal with property crime, they'd go after the pawn shops and the fences, and the scrappers buying stolen copper.

No, that wouldn't stop people stealing things for their own use, but it would hit the professional thieves hard.

Re:The Number of Youth in Juvenile Detention in California H... by wahern on Monday September 17, 2018 @04:02PM (#18009479)
A robbery ring was recently broken where their M.O. was to ship stolen laptops off to Vietnam.

  https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Fremont-Detectives-Bust-International-Theft-Ring-With-Millions-in-Stolen-Electronics-472047833.html
Perhaps local fences still matter a great deal, but it seems like they're becoming increasingly less important.
Re:The Number of Youth in Juvenile Detention in California H... by fludlight on Monday September 17, 2018 @02:36PM (#18008673)
It's a problem with the law. Prop 47, specifically.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_47_(201...

Re:The Number of Youth in Juvenile Detention in California H... by openasocket on Monday September 17, 2018 @02:49PM (#18008819)
A misdemeanor can still result in up to 12 months of jail time, though...
Re:The Number of Youth in Juvenile Detention in California H... by Consultant32452 on Monday September 17, 2018 @03:01PM (#18008931)
On paper, I would agree with you that up to 12 months of jail time for a relatively minor crime like shoplifting is reasonable. In practice, it appears the result of the new law is that the police don't bother showing up and property crime essentially isn't enforced.
Re:The Number of Youth in Juvenile Detention in California H... by Retra on Monday September 17, 2018 @08:44PM (#18011444)
For an adult, that sounds reasonable. For a child, you're stealing actual brain development and enculturation time.