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Re:Gravitational waves provide dose of reality about extra d... by mirimir on Monday September 17, 2018 @01:52AM (#18003518)
> The gravitational waves from the collision reverberated in LIGO the morning of Aug. 17, 2017, followed by detections of gamma-rays, X-rays, radio waves, and optical and infrared light. If gravity were leaking into other dimensions along the way, then the signal they measured in the gravitational wave detectors would have been weaker than expected. But it wasn't.

Do they really mean to say "followed by detections"? Don't gravitational waves propagate at c? Also, I'm puzzled by "weaker than expected". One issue is calculating expected intensities for gravitational waves vs electromagnetic radiation. The other is calibration of LIGO signals. It's not obvious that resulting uncertainties are small enough for drawing reliable conclusions about gravity leakage.

Re:Gravitational waves provide dose of reality about extra d... by JeromeBonnet on Monday September 17, 2018 @03:28AM (#18003864)
My understanding is that the detection order follows the underlying phenomena: first the neutron stars fell towards each other, producing gravitational waves, and only then did the stars collide, producing electromagnetic waves.
Re:Gravitational waves provide dose of reality about extra d... by candiodari on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @10:12AM (#18024275)
As I understand it gravitational waves aren't slowed down by anything whereas electromagnetic waves interact with matter along the way, which takes some amount of time.

There isn't much matter to interact with, but not quite zero either. Something like 1e-23 of the distance had some amount of matter in it (mostly very diffuse gas clouds, nothing more).

Re:Gravitational waves provide dose of reality about extra d... by Baeocystin on Monday September 17, 2018 @02:39AM (#18003681)
Yes. Even if the creation events of each part of the spectrum are at the exact same time (which is unlikely) there is going to be matter in between the event and us. That matter will slow the rate of light's propagation.
Re:Gravitational waves provide dose of reality about extra d... by mirimir on Monday September 17, 2018 @03:05AM (#18003780)
Ah. Didn't think of that.

Edit: And I didn't see Animats' comment that EM radiation was delayed ~2 seconds. But also that the speed difference was very small.

Re:Gravitational waves provide dose of reality about extra d... by kakarot on Monday September 17, 2018 @02:46AM (#18003715)
This conjecture also assumes that our understanding of thermodynamics applies in any other hypothetical dimension.

It's entirely possible that displacement in these dimensions corresponds to an increase in energy in the system that offsets the "lost" energy.

Re:Gravitational waves provide dose of reality about extra d... by kawakiole on Monday September 17, 2018 @03:43AM (#18003922)
Anything is possible, but how would you falsify that hypothesis?
Re:Gravitational waves provide dose of reality about extra d... by mirimir on Monday September 17, 2018 @04:41AM (#18004151)
Indeed. And that's my complaint about the report itself.
Re:Gravitational waves provide dose of reality about extra d... by kakarot on Monday September 17, 2018 @04:42AM (#18004156)
Good question and I don't know the answer, but this unknown still helps to define the limits of what we can definitely say is and isn't taking place.

We can't say "we're definitely not experiencing displacement in X dimensions" if we don't definitively know the rules of displacement are homogeneous in every dimension. Since we don't definitively know the number of dimensions, we also can't exhaustively test these rules.

Re:Gravitational waves provide dose of reality about extra d... by kawakiole on Friday September 21, 2018 @05:00AM (#18038225)
We don't ever definitely know anything. That's why science and bayesian reasoning in general is so useful to begin with ;)

We can be more or less confident about how stuff works though. For instance, thermodynamics is something we are very confident of having gotten right, because there are plenty of ways to test if doesn't work, and those test fail all the time (so far, at least!).

So this article basically says: would it be easier to explain what we see if there were other dimensions? and the answer is it wouldn't, because we'd have to assume that things that we are very confident about (thermodynamics) are not correct, while simultaneously not providing any way to gain confidence in this new hypothesis (that there are new dimensions with different thermodynamic laws).

This might change some day: before spectrography was a thing, all the theories about star composition were non-falsiable either!!