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Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by tptacek on Sunday September 16, 2018 @07:19PM (#18001829)
The Contributor Covenant says nothing of the sort. It is entirely reasonable for developers to believe that the statements in the Covenant are a baseline for professionalism and, at the same time to disagree amongst themselves about whether they should contribute to military projects (or whether they buy into a "post-meritocracy" philosophy).
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by Ws32ok on Sunday September 16, 2018 @07:21PM (#18001847)
I was referring to https://postmeritocracy.org/

As per the comment to which I was replying.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by tptacek on Sunday September 16, 2018 @07:22PM (#18001857)
Once again: whatever the "post-meritocracy" philosophy is, it has nothing to do with the kernel Code of Conduct.
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by meowface on Sunday September 16, 2018 @08:30PM (#18002202)
I wouldn't say it has nothing to do with it. It's not part of the explicit language of the Code of Conduct, but the first few paragraphs of https://www.contributor-covenant.org talk about the same concepts.

I think these attempts at redefining meritocracy are concerning, and I don't blame anyone for questioning the Contributor Covenant as a result, even if the Code of Conduct itself is reasonable and pretty much common sense.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by tptacek on Sunday September 16, 2018 @08:47PM (#18002281)
None of those words are in the kernel Code of Conduct.
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by Dylan16807 on Monday September 17, 2018 @12:02AM (#18003115)
This rhetorical technique where you pretend not to understand what people are talking about does not reflect well on you. And I normally respect your comments quite a bit.

Your direct reply to DC-3 was fine, if combative. Everything you posted below Ws32ok is ugly.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by kadendogthing on Monday September 17, 2018 @09:16AM (#18005611)
Everything he's saying to Ws32ok is factual. Nothing ugly about it.
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by Dylan16807 on Monday September 17, 2018 @01:01PM (#18007696)
The three comments in question can be argued as technically correct, but they're also deliberately ignoring that people are talking about a different document, and the reasons they are talking about the different document.

It's not useful to repeat that those words are not in the kernel code of conduct when nobody thought they were. It muddies the waters of the conversation. What really bothers me is the statement that it has "nothing to do with" the philosophy. From a certain point of view this is true, but the implied message is that the other person has not even a ghost of an argument because they're mixing up codes. That implication isn't right at all. He's also implying that he doesn't even know what this document is.

But before he made any of those comments, he made a reasonable reply to DC-3 that addresses the argument. His response was very simple, that the code should be treated as separate from its author.

So he clearly understands the argument and read the post explaining what this manifesto is and why it's being discussed.

But he comes in under Ws32ok's comment not to point out the difference between the two documents, but to instead imply that people are confused and accidentally opened the wrong file, and he's never even heard of this file.

I find that ugly.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by Ws32ok on Monday September 17, 2018 @06:42PM (#18010749)
I’d actually say they should reread the codes of conduct and consider if they are commenting in good faith in accordance with those codes.
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by Ws32ok on Sunday September 16, 2018 @07:27PM (#18001885)
And once again, read https://postmeritocracy.org/ and you’ll find the text I quoted verbatim. And my comment still stands in reference to the URL I provided. The wording is quite clear in that manifesto and I responded to that.
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by busterarm on Sunday September 16, 2018 @09:56PM (#18002600)
But he was explicitly referring to the manifesto and not the Code of Conduct and you jumped all over him anyway.