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Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by tomp on Sunday September 16, 2018 @06:25PM (#18001576)
I agree. I liked his rants, I found them entertaining, and I wish I was the target of one! (I would probably need to work on my coding skills first.) I wish people would grow thicker skins and get more emotionally mature, and be able to tolerate harsh words without taking them personally.
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by komali2 on Sunday September 16, 2018 @07:15PM (#18001818)
> I wish people would grow thicker skins and get more emotionally mature, and be able to tolerate harsh words without taking them personally

This is the "rock polisher" thesis of life, which I've also called the "bully thesis." I grew up swapping between different parts of America that approached "how to generate a functional adult" differentally. Some places, it was "love and care for your fellow man. Work together to make a better world." Other places it was "we believe the world is harsh and unforgiving, therefore we're gonna beat you to get you ready for it."

What I've learned is that society is exactly how you make it. If you allow kids to bully and beat the shit out of each other in the playground, you're gonna get a society of Biggest Fist Wins. If you go the other direction, you'll get one where people work together and work to see the best in each other.

Once you've been raised one way though, the other way seems a weakness, so I generally don't have hope of doing anything other than preach to the choir.

In your example - what's the point of thicker skin if people simply don't say mean things to each other?

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by sincerely on Sunday September 16, 2018 @08:55PM (#18002305)
>In your example - what's the point of thicker skin if people simply don't say mean things to each other?

You can never control other people's behavior, only your own. Learning to deal with mean comments is a valuable skill.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by ilovewhiskey on Sunday September 16, 2018 @10:11PM (#18002647)
> You can never control other people's behavior

This is another way to say

> we believe the world is harsh and unforgiving

You seem to have internalized this perspective completely.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by mmirate on Monday September 17, 2018 @11:33PM (#18012256)
Post-scarcity is, at best, a distant fantasy.

Ergo, sufficient resources to forgive everyone, do not exist.

Ergo, it is best for any person to not expect forgiveness.

It's not a perspective; it logically follows from reality.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by ilovewhiskey on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @01:02PM (#18025688)
First, you are intentionally limiting the scope of my claim. "Unforgiving" is just a synonym of "harsh", "challenging" or "adversarial", not about actual person forgiving someone.

Second, your logical proof is wrong. The existence of resource scarcity in the global scale does not mean the global resource scarcity, some places may have enough resources.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by mmirate on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @04:04PM (#18027264)
> First, you are intentionally limiting the scope of my claim. "Unforgiving" is just a synonym of "harsh", "challenging" or "adversarial", not about actual person forgiving someone.

I wasn't being fully literal, either: when someone makes enough mistakes in life to deplete their private resources, they seek "forgiveness" in either handouts or in finding some new unusual opportunity to ply. It is, at worst, narrow terminology.

> Second, your logical proof is wrong. The existence of resource scarcity in the global scale does not mean the global resource scarcity, some places may have enough resources.

Such local situations are self-removing; if a good is locally in such sharp surplus as to be post-scarce, then the only logical action is to export it to somewhere else, as such post-scarcity is such an extreme condition that the price differential will certainly outweigh almost any terrestrial transit costs.

(Notable exception: one disadvantage of the Soviet economy was that it sometimes required supplies be post-scarce in their own production facilities or warehouses but ultra-scarce elsewhere.)

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by komali2 on Sunday September 16, 2018 @10:11PM (#18002650)
My solution to dealing with people of the "rock polisher" mindset is that I politely refuse to participate in any sort of society with them, professional or private. Would this be a valid method for dealing with these sorts of people?
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by Sacho on Monday September 17, 2018 @04:49AM (#18004189)
Okay, but what if you are the most pleasant and caring cab company in the world, and suddenly a giant, well-funded bully comes into the scene and starts competing with you? Do you just fold and go into a different business("refuse to participate in any sort of society with them"?)

How do you plan to educate everyone to be cooperative when you need to disengage whenever you meet bullies? You will need a closed-off society that ostracizes its members when they stray from the golden path.

At least your solution doesn't require global dominance and authoritarianism to bring everyone in line, which is a big plus.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by komali2 on Monday September 17, 2018 @10:54AM (#18006446)
I don't understand your example - does Lyft ever engage with Uber? Perhaps I wasn't clear - existing next to each other is ok in my theory.

My theory also doesn't require society adoption. It's simply how I deal with it. Yea, if everyone did it, bullies would be ostracized. Actually,if everyone did it, there wouldn't be bullies, so if the majority did it then yes, bullies would be ostracized. This is ok with me.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by zemo on Sunday September 16, 2018 @06:36PM (#18001629)
ignoring your emotions and the emotions of others and seeing all of life as an exercise of pure rationalism is not emotional maturity, it's emotional cowardice.
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by merpnderp on Sunday September 16, 2018 @06:48PM (#18001696)
Parent didn’t say ignore them. I’m pretty sure they meant not be an emotional child completely incapable of surviving the slings and arrows of life. Rule your emotions instead of being ruled by them.
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by checkyoursudo on Sunday September 16, 2018 @08:32PM (#18002212)
Applies equally to archer and target, yes?
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by zemo on Sunday September 16, 2018 @07:21PM (#18001843)
acknowledging your emotions is not being ruled by them.
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by coffeefirst on Sunday September 16, 2018 @10:54PM (#18002824)
That would be fine. In the unlikely event I was ever the target of one I would frame it and add it to the bottom of my resume.

The problem isn't that Linus is legendary in his abrasiveness.

The problem is that other people (mostly young) imitate his behavior, starting with the belief that it's okay to be a jerk as long as you're right.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by djsumdog on Sunday September 16, 2018 @11:58PM (#18003099)
See my other comment; if you had been the receiver you'd probably have a totally different attitude. Especially if you felt it was totally unjustified.
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by Bendingo on Sunday September 16, 2018 @09:11PM (#18002385)
Yes, agree also.

> be able to tolerate harsh words without taking them personally

This is an essential life skill.