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Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by zeroname on Sunday September 16, 2018 @05:59PM (#18001406)
Saying that "Linus has advocated physical abuse" based on that statement is completely disingenuous. It's an absurd interpretation. It was obviously humor and it wasn't insulting either.

There are several cases where Linus went way over the top with insults, but throwing him under the bus because of that statement is ridiculous.

That's the whole problem with these CoCs, if people get to apply the most uncharitable interpretation of any statement, we can't have anything but extremely formalized conversation, lest we run the risk of getting kicked out because someone who doesn't like us misrepresented our words.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by cobar on Sunday September 16, 2018 @06:38PM (#18001642)
There is a certain cost in time and energy required to separate yourself from harsh statements like that identify it as such. While it's pretty easy to say, yes he's not suggesting physical abuse, the statement implies this guy is not going to cut me any slack, I can expect to get verbally attacked for missing something in my code, etc.

Bad code has a cost associated with it as well, it takes time to reject it, explain why it's wrong, and deal with the frustration of someone less experienced. Unfortunately with some developers they want to push that off on the person writing the code and bear none of the burden.

I've seen the costs of the latter in open source projects I've worked on. People who feel encouraged stick around, support the community, and when given good feedback will often learn from it and submit better patches. Taking the time to communicate and make sure everyone feels included is part of the cost to get that.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by zeroname on Sunday September 16, 2018 @07:22PM (#18001850)
> There is a certain cost in time and energy required to separate yourself from harsh statements like that identify it as such.

It's not a "harsh statement", it's a joke. If anything it's flattering of that person's stature.

> While it's pretty easy to say, yes he's not suggesting physical abuse, the statement implies this guy is not going to cut me any slack, I can expect to get verbally attacked for missing something in my code, etc.

I don't think it implies that, but that's besides my point. The remark was represented as "advocating physical intimidation and violence", which given the actual context is basically libel. You're free to interpret anything you want about the personality of Linus from him making such jokes, but misrepresenting it like that in public is dishonest and harmful to discourse itself.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by cobar on Monday September 17, 2018 @12:03AM (#18003116)
My bad, I had misread the comment the poster made and didn't see that the quote was there. I stand corrected.
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by CRConrad on Sunday September 23, 2018 @08:05AM (#18050699)
And to be perfectly anal, it was only advocating _threatening_ physical violence. (As in, _“say_ you'll smash them...”)
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by skookumchuck on Sunday September 16, 2018 @06:16PM (#18001515)
For an example of what you're talking about, it's what diplomats do. Where a careless word misinterpreted across different cultures and languages could start a war, diplomats have learned to be, er, "diplomatic".
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by Ygg2 on Sunday September 16, 2018 @06:26PM (#18001583)
Yeah, we should all be like career politicians and learn to say nothing with as many words as possible.
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by comesee on Sunday September 16, 2018 @06:41PM (#18001658)
Eye for an eye leaves everyone blind