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Re:In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most ... by eropple on Saturday September 15, 2018 @07:41PM (#17996588)
> Google's shutdown of products and APIs seems to have led to critical level of trust loss amongst developers and influencers.

Some companies have to care what developers think. (Few, to be frank; developers overestimate their importance.) Many companies have to care what "influencers" think.

But not all, and Google is not part of that "most". Google doesn't have to give a shit because everyone uses Google. They are literally market-saturated at this point. They have no competition and the only material threat in the medium run is a powerful country with a salty antitrust division.

And on your other point, the idea that a company like Google should care about the rounding error of people who care about some B2C thing like Reader shutting down (while many totally-fine alternatives exist) being so personally put out that that colors their analysis of B2B offerings is more than a little silly. If you decide on GCP based frustrations over Google Reader or Google Inbox, you probably aren't clear-headed enough to be making decisions for your company and it's probably a good thing that you are a rounding error besides.

(I use some Google services; I don't use GCP for a variety of reasons completely unrelated to babyraging over a B2C shutdown.)

Re:In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most ... by tlear on Sunday September 16, 2018 @12:02AM (#17997247)
Couple weeks ago I was part of a discussion what to use for some new project that will require a pile of GPUs like a LARGE pile of them.

There was one guy who actually seriously suggested Google offering. Idea got dropped as EVERY other person in discussion said NO. Azure it will be. Over life of that project I am guessing google lost something like 1-2mil USD minimum. Obviously chump change by their standard but still.

Main reasoning for me was always the absolutely atrocious customer support, no fucking way in hell I will ever give 1c to them if I can avoid it.

Re:In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most ... by GW150914 on Saturday September 15, 2018 @08:02PM (#17996669)
You don’t need goodwill until you need it, and then it’s almost impossible to garner. How does that saying go? When you’re on top of the world you can do no wrong, when you’re down you can do no right? A lot of giant companies have to learn this the hard way, probably due to institutional inertia, apathy, lack of foresight, and the reality that today’s C-levels will probably be gone before that shit hits the fan.
Re:In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most ... by arkades on Saturday September 15, 2018 @09:41PM (#17996925)
> You don’t need goodwill until you need it, and then it’s almost impossible to garner.

This is the key. Google has my "business," but I'm also sick of it. The moment there's a really valid competitor - and these days, I'm starting to look at protonmail - I'm gone. The same stickiness that kept me with them will keep me gone.

I really don't think I'm alone in that.

Re:In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most ... by bestnameever on Sunday September 16, 2018 @02:23PM (#18000266)
Nope I've been thinking the same..even thinking of picking up an iPHone which I've never used before.
Re:In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most ... by eropple on Saturday September 15, 2018 @08:24PM (#17996733)
If you are banking on B2C-related "goodwill" to save a company whose revenue model is basically all B2B, then you're already dead.

Google fairly obviously is not doing that.

Re:In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most ... by hakfoo on Sunday September 16, 2018 @03:25AM (#17997747)
In a way, Google's brand functions almost like an ol-school conglomerate-- you've got B2B and B2C products under one roof, with wildly different quality expectations, but all weighing on the brand.

What sort of blowback do conglomerates see for this? Do railroad executives balk at buying GE locomotives because their GE refrigerators fail?

Re:In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most ... by GW150914 on Saturday September 15, 2018 @10:30PM (#17997025)
Once upon a time similar things have been said about other giants who fell upon hard times, or died, or had to become shells of their former selves. It’s not like Google has made good friends with the business world either. Besides, the core of their business is advertisements, and they should probably pay attention to the slow, but inexorable backlash against advertising. Given that only a minority block ads and protect their privacy today, it may seem like that’s a silly thing to say, it history suggests otherwise. A bit of goodwill earned while on top can make inevitable slides down the mountain less fatal.