"Anecdotally" Everyone I know and works with me as well as several google results point to the same issue. Anecdotally using the same server with a Windows Phone and Android Phone causes no issues at all. Sooo maaaybe it's not the server?

> years stapeling

Am I supposed to know how many updates there were between those years automatically or how is that related to what I wrote?

> If you want an Android phone that gets regularly updates after two to three years, there are no choices...

Sure there are. You can take the google brands, motorola or I don't know, just put your own OS on it. Or if you are the usual consumer who just wants to have a new phone every x-years you can just buy two for the price of one IPhone. So many possibilities....

What are the Google results of issues. “Everyone you know” is anecdotal....

Am I supposed to know how many updates there were between those years automatically or how is that related to what I wrote?

Well first, seeing that both Apple and Google have released major updates every year since they have developed mobile phone OSs. It’s not too hard to figure out.

Sure there are. You can take the google brands,Motorola

No Google brands have usually had updates for two years tops.

or I don't know, just put your own OS on it.

See how well that works in practice....

Or if you are the usual consumer who just wants to have a new phone every x-years you can just buy two for the price of one IPhone. So many possibilities....

Since an iPhone actually maintains somewhat of a resale value, you still don’t come out ahead by buying a phone every two years. Consumers are holding on to phones longer now that they aren’t being subsidized by the carrier.

Good you cut "and work with" and the part with the other OS out otherwise this discussion might get serious and we don't want that do we?

See, that is another issue. I've been asking around on boards for how to solve the issue since it's so annoying. Either I got no answer or it was something along your lines "It must be your fault because Apple wouldn't make such a mistake". Meanwhile having an issue on Android means that you either already find the solution or you post on one of the dev boards where people are eager to find a solution. Or you just use another app because there is no obnoxious system mail app in it's ridiculous locked in environment.

Android 3&4 have been released 2011 so this doesn't add up here too. But the whole thing here is ridiculous for reasons stated below. I got that initial statement from this IT magazine: https://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/meldung/iOS-12-offenbar-auch-...

> See how well that works in practice....

It works out fantastic I did that on every phone I had and have been doing it for friends and family.

> Since an iPhone actually maintains somewhat of a resale value,

Well as you are reselling already to an audience that is used to overpaying, it doesn't say anything about the actual value. Besides that, if you end up with one of the non supported ones, there is no way to put a different OS on it or is it?

> Consumers are holding on to phones longer now that they aren’t being subsidized by the carrier.

No idea where you're from but over here in Europe carriers still give you phones and the phone market is not dead or something like that. People buy new phones and even if they wouldn't, it wouldn't change anything about the argument I brought up.

Asking What around on boards? What’s the issue?

Android 3&4 have been released 2011 so this doesn't add up here too. But the whole thing here is ridiculous for reasons stated below. I got that initial statement from this IT magazine: https://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/meldung/iOS-12-offenbar-auch-....

Posting a German website on an English speaking forum doesn’t help too mUCB.

PS. since you seem unable to work with google: https://translate.google.de/?hl=de&tab=wT

Perhaps you always keep flashing your device with some random OS fork or build and that hasn't allowed you to observe what others who aren't as savvy as you have to put up with (I get that you could use this exact sentence back in pointing out what you see as deficiencies in iOS, but let's not move the goal posts).

But as far as the issue. Did you reach out to Microsoft? Did you download the Outlook app for iOS? Or would you rather just complain?

Note to myself: never mention Apple again on hn

Edit: wow ninja-downvote within 1 minute! Have you been reloading your comment page for the last hour?

Oh I see...it's the other guy again...no surprise there.

Edit: I really hope it wasn't you downvoting me instead of an answer...this is getting quite ridiculous.

(Mods can't downvote replies to themselves, same as other users.)

I started being uncivil after they started being uncivil. Why is it me that is to blame here? I mean, they seem to be so agitated that they are downvoting me 3 days later!

> you insinuated that other users were astroturfing

Where did I do this?

Re astroturfing I was referring to "Are you his second account".

I...what? You can't click "parent" and get a context? Or come here with a different account/firefox container? What sense does that make? This is ridiculous. I mean, it's right there...

I never said the rules are bad. There is nothing wrong with the rules. There is just something wrong if they are being enforced selectively.

> Re astroturfing I was referring to "Are you his second account".

You might read up what astroturfing is. Because this is not how it works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing Besides the fact that I even explained that I said that to emphasize my argument that followed it.

Would you please read the whole thing before you judge? I mean, seriously this doesn't make any sense this way.