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Re:Brave files adtech complaint against Google by quotemstr on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @04:37PM (#17973028)
So you're replacing ads with other ads, and you have reasons. Everyone who makes money has reasons why his profit is in reality some kind of selfless social good. It's what it takes to reconcile human psychology with capitalism.

You're still replacing ads with other ads.

Re:Brave files adtech complaint against Google by jonathansampson on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @04:47PM (#17973133)
This is like scoffing at dialysis as nothing more than replacing blood with blood. The system is suffering at the hands of innumerable bad-actors who commit fraud, abuse, and more. Users and Publishers alike are both suffering.

The users have already responded en masse with the explosive growth of ad and tracker blocking software. We acknowledge the necessity for this move, as the industry has become overrun with parasites. But we also recognize that bloodletting isn't the solution; bleeding the publishers of their revenue isn't the solution.

Brave introduced Brave Payments as a means of supporting content creators. We're staking users with $500k/mo to support their favorite sites. But this isn't a short-term solution while we work on the long-term solution of reforming digital advertising.

Re:Brave files adtech complaint against Google by barber5 on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @10:23PM (#17975441)
This is a fair point under some ways of looking at the problem. It could be that advertising is just nasty no matter how it is implemented, and thus any system that uses advertising will be tainted. I'm sympathetic to that analysis and am constantly trying to flesh it out.

With that said, what jonathansampson is proposing mitigates at least one harm of advertising: ubiquitous tracking which violates privacy.

They're trying to replace ads with ads that don't require tracking by third parties.

There's actually a whole area of research on this that's pretty fascinating called privacy preserving advertising.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/serving... https://crypto.stanford.edu/adnostic/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/privad-... https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/6234417/

Re:Brave files adtech complaint against Google by jancsika on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @06:08PM (#17973904)
> So you're replacing ads with other ads, and you have reasons.

If a website owner changes from an ad supported website to reading ad copy in a podcast, your same criticism would apply.

Yet:

* by changing from ads to ads they get rid of entire classes of bugs: cryptominers, drive-by malware, click-jacking, etc. Perpetuating a capitalist system by requiring users to take undue risks to support my content != perpetuating a capitalist system without making users take those risks.

* by changing from ads to ads, I get rid of an entire class of privacy-invasions for my audience. Perpetuating a capitalist system while making users leak enormous amounts of data to who knows where != an perpetuating a capitalist system without making users do that.

There are probably other points to make. But that's enough to assert that ads != ads in your comment.

Halting.