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Re:Solid-state battery startup claims breakthrough for elect... by fulafel on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @01:03AM (#17965687)
I gather "1+ C" is "power capability" as explained at https://learn.adafruit.com/all-about-batteries/power-capacit... ?

With current batteries, there are just many tiny 18650 cells connected in parallel / series to get the desired power and voltage, right? Are you saying there are some unstated engineering limitations that would hinder getting to the desired "C" by connecting more battery cells in parallel?

Re:Solid-state battery startup claims breakthrough for elect... by magnat on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @02:16AM (#17965963)
> Are you saying there are some unstated engineering limitations that would hinder getting to the desired "C" by connecting more battery cells in parallel?

When connected in parallel, each cell has to discharge at same rate within a small margin. That means you have to match cells by capacity and internal resistance during manufacturing process. The more cells you put in parallel, the more chance some of them will age differently and cause whole battery to underperform or fail spectacularly.

Re:Solid-state battery startup claims breakthrough for elect... by pjc50 on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @06:27AM (#17967089)
Yes, but Tesla already do this just fine with their huge 18650 cell packs.
Re:Solid-state battery startup claims breakthrough for elect... by tehsauce on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @02:47AM (#17966093)
Thanks for this explanation, always wondered this!
Re:Solid-state battery startup claims breakthrough for elect... by gdy on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @04:25AM (#17966494)
Could you elaborate why would that affect the battery as a whole?

And why the batteries have to discharge at the same rate in the first place?

Re:Solid-state battery startup claims breakthrough for elect... by dogma1138 on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @04:51AM (#17966627)
Because the load is spread equally if there is a difference in the capacity / internal resistance of the battery it can cause a higher load on it than it can safely discharge at that moment.

That said this is a problem with all batteries which is solved trough rebalancing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_balancing

Without this we wouldn’t ba able to make battery packs with 100s not to mention 1000s of cells and even smaller battery packs would die much much sooner.

A good analogy would be if you have a boat with multiple people rowing and one of them can’t hold the same pace if you don’t adjust for it you aren’t going to hold course and if you don’t let the man catch a break they’ll pass completely eventually.

Re:Solid-state battery startup claims breakthrough for elect... by hwillis on Thursday September 13, 2018 @12:17PM (#17979770)
> And why the batteries have to discharge at the same rate in the first place?

It's the definition of the cells being in parallel. Since they all have the same voltage difference (as the fronts and backs are all tied together with wire), they have to discharge at the same rate. The balancing dogma1138 was describing is done to allow some batteries to run at slightly different voltages so they all are at around the same state of charge.

Re:Solid-state battery startup claims breakthrough for elect... by hwillis on Thursday September 13, 2018 @12:14PM (#17979745)
> Are you saying there are some unstated engineering limitations that would hinder getting to the desired "C" by connecting more battery cells in parallel?

Two batteries in parallel have the same C rating! You double the output current, but you also double the capacity. When you put cells in series, you change the voltage but the current capability and capacity stay the same. In both cases the C rating doesn't change[1].

The C rating is just how quickly the battery can discharge itself, so it is entirely dependent on the chemistry and battery conditions.

[1]: there are finer points; more batteries in series lowers output current slightly in practice, and batteries in parallel are quite complex to deal with. Cell size, construction and cooling all have large impacts on the C rating as well but at the end of the day it's simply how quickly a square centimeter of battery material can carry out its chemical reaction safely.