Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift
by IshKebab on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:41PM
(#17963175)
Are manuals not cheaper to manufacture and repair? Definitely in the UK since 90% of cars are still manual.
[ Parent
| on HN ]
Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift
by mikestew on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @05:02PM
(#17963348)
You know why automatics are sealed these days? They don't expect them to need service. Here in the U. S., I actually had to call around to find someone that would do a clutch. When I was a Firestone mechanic lo those twenty some years ago, we'd drop a tranny and throw clutch plates in all the time (book time paid more time than it took me to do it). Neither of the local Firestones would touch it when I called.
Point is, automatics are pretty sturdy these days, and there are fewer shops in the U. S. that will work on manuals anymore.
Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift
by kenhwang on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @05:33PM
(#17963561)
Most modern DCTs are wet clutch which should last more or less forever. Ford/Volvo's dry clutch DCTs probably still require regular clutch plate replacements. Torque converters pretty much last forever on infrequent fluid changes or the whole unit fails.
Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift
by opencl on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @06:57PM
(#17964153)
Ford's dry clutch DCT (used only in the Focus and Fiesta, all of the other Ford/Volvo models are wet clutch) is total junk and you're lucky if the clutch lasts more than 30k miles. They lost a class action lawsuit over it.
Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift
by Someone1234 on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:54PM
(#17963273)
Even if they are, a CVT saves enough fuel over its lifetime to offset the cost (5 MpG combined more efficient in some cases).
The UK is moving away from manuals for hybrid and fully electric vehicles which often use a CVT, or no transmission in some cases (direct drive).
Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift
by stephengillie on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @06:59PM
(#17964166)
Electric vehicles do use an assembly of gears to adjust ratios for optimal torque - but just the one gear. It's still a transmission.
Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift
by inferiorhuman on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @09:19PM
(#17964857)
A lot depends on the transmission. In BMW land you can take apart the automatics and often get parts for them. The manuals rated higher for higher power (e.g. the Getrag 420G) you may be able to take it apart (even then you'll want specialized jigs), and you may be able to put it back together (with a monstrous press), but you still won't be able to find new parts for it.
Meanwhile you can take the automatics apart in your garage with few-to-no specialized tools.
Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift
by bunderbunder on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @06:41PM
(#17964059)
They may be, but probably not enough so to offset what having a manual transmission does to the resale value of your car in the USA.
I'd be willing to go with a manual on a used car that I am paying cash for, but, if you buy a new manual and need to finance it, you'll likely be upside down on your loan for an uncomfortably long time.
Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift
by emodendroket on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @07:04PM
(#17964205)
Put down more money, I guess.
Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift
by jimmaswell on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @09:30PM
(#17964910)
I've heard part of the reason automatics caught on more in America is because Americans had more relative buying power, so manuals being a little bit cheaper wasn't a big deal. Same for better dryers, bigger houses, bigger cars.