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Re:The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis by Avshalom on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @11:16AM (#17960484)
the increase in mortgage originations was shared across the whole distribution of borrowers, and that middle- and high-income borrowers made up the majority of originations even at the peak of the boom. Compared to prior years, middle- and high-income borrowers (not the poor), as well as those with medium and high credit scores, made up a much larger share of delinquencies in the crisis relative to earlier years.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w20848

Re:The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis by hueving on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @11:46AM (#17960756)
Once the framework was in place to give out garbage loans, people across all income levels leveraged the opportunity to get houses they shouldn't have.

This just shows how poisonous it is when the government screws up a market by essentially mandating that banks throw away their normal risk assessment process.

Re:The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis by camelite on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:21PM (#17961614)
What law did the government pass that forced the banks to ignore their risk assessment processes? Particularly, supposing you can point to some law or intervention, why do you suppose the banks are so childish and naive that when a law forces them to do one thing they don't want to do (make dumb loans to low-income groups), they'll respond by over-generalising and doing a whole other bunch of things they hadn't up to that point wanted to do (make dumb loans to middle- and high-income groups).
Re:The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis by inthewoods on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:11PM (#17962906)
Amazingly there wasn't even a requirement for basic income checks when issuing a mortgage - that came after the crisis.

If we look at the mortgage pipeline, the problems become obvious, but none of them have to do with the government, except in that the government should have regulated.

Start with the mortgage origination companies like Countrywide who could easily offload mortgages to the other banks to collateralize. Since these companies could completely offload their risk, they were highly incentivized to give a mortgage to everyone.

Move on to the rating companies and the big banks creating financial products of doom and you've got the whole mess. All without the government "creating the problem." I do agree, however, that the government giving these companies an implied put option via a bailout gave them every reason they needed to take huge risks.

Still amazes me that no one from the banks ended up in jail.

Re:The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis by s73v3r_ on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:55PM (#17963283)
Exactly. The bankers that did this are still adults, and are still fully capable of taking responsibility for their actions. No one told them they had to make garbage loans.
Re:The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis by tooltalk on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:34PM (#17961717)
I guess the following would be a good starting point of discussion: https://www.forbes.com/sites/norbertmichel/2015/01/26/govern...
Re:The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis by naravara on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @03:25PM (#17962518)
It's really not. First of all, the affordable housing market isn't where the housing market was most inflated so the author's entire premise is wrong.

Secondly, the author of that article is pretty clearly shilling to privatize Fannie Mae.

Thirdly, nobody here seems to understand what the community lending standards actually were and just wants to use it as a post to rest their argument on.

This is a much better, though still critical of the CRA article that goes into actual detail on what the problems were: https://www.city-journal.org/html/financial-crisis-and-cra-1...

But it's still an overly reductive and misguided argument. As Noah Smith points out here: https://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/did-risky-mortga...

Re:The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis by camelite on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:14PM (#17961545)
What government interventions caused the doubling of subprime lending from 2004 to 2006?
Re:The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis by Eliezer on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:22PM (#17961618)
FDIC insurance. A private insurance market for bank accounts sends a price signal about reliability. Subsidizing that insurance in a way that doesn't eliminate the price signal and the customer risk, like requiring 20% private insurance for 90% of the account face value and the govt providing the remaining 80% insurance at the same price or at a discount, could make sense if insuring more accounts was a policy goal. Having the government ensure everything for free with no internal price differentiation just tells banks they might as well go wild.
Re:The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis by naravara on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @03:11PM (#17962403)
FDIC only ensures bank deposits, such as checking or savings accounts, not mortgages. It's not at all clear what that has to do with the proliferation of subprime lending.
Re:The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis by Eliezer on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @01:29PM (#17971048)
It's a root cause of bank irresponsibility. If not for free FDIC insurance, a bank making risky loans would cause the cost of insuring an account at that bank to rise. Securitization does change this, but all the CDSs on AIG's mispriced insurance on CDOs were ultimately taking place against a background of too-big-to-fail and flat-priced government insurance.
Re:The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis by lovich on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @06:12PM (#17973934)
Why would a bank spend any money on insurance to cover accounts in the event that they run out of money? That's just the end of the bank, they don't care at that point. It's not like the executive officers would have a chance of going to jail over it.
Re:The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis by camelite on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:16PM (#17961564)
What laws did the government pass which "screwed up" the market?