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Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by ovi256 on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @07:10AM (#17958625)
If the purpose is carbon sequestration, you'll have to include the cost of storing that wood. Indefinitely. Won't be cheap.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by bastawhiz on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @07:25AM (#17958699)
You could sell it, maybe trick people into doing stuff with it, like making buildings or durable goods.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by Already__Taken on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @07:58AM (#17958881)
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by johncole on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @07:29AM (#17958725)
Best comment I have read all day.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by torpfactory on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @08:00AM (#17958887)
Doesn’t a forest tie up the carbon in live trees? A mature forest will be more or less carbon neural but a certain amount of carbon won’t be available to the atmosphere.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by ForHackernews on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @08:05AM (#17958925)
The trees will die eventually. The problem is that we've released a lot of CO2 from trees that died millions of years ago.[0]

If you want to get that out of the atmosphere, it's not good enough to grow trees today because in 50-100 years (or whenever a tree dies) you're right back where we are today.

[0] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/phenomena/2016/01...

Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by gascan on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @02:42PM (#17962224)
The tree which dies is replaced by a new tree.

You're right that we've added more carbon than can be stored in living forests. But reversing deforestation can & should be part of the solution.

Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by swongel on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @07:37AM (#17958751)
Burn them for their energy and keep more coal in the ground seems like a good first step.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by chii on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @08:00AM (#17958884)
but wood burns so much more dirtier than coal, and leaves much more uncombusted remains that then have to clean.

The problem is energy (or lack thereof) - and so why not solve it directly by adding ever larger sources of renewables, which eventually will becomes enough that there's no need to burn any fossil fuels!

Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @08:40AM (#17959147)
Is that so? Even when ground fine and with enough oxygen? For local heating, I heard good things about the efficiency and cleanliness of wood pellet heaters.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by DanBC on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @11:05AM (#17960377)
Did you hear those things from either people trying to sell you a wood pellet burner, or people who've just spent a lot of money money on a wood pellet burner?
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by topkai22 on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @11:38AM (#17960679)
Personal anecdote- i bought a house with a wood pellet stove as a primary heat source. There was smoke damage to the paint everywhere.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by FartyMcFarter on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @07:14AM (#17958651)
You'll also need to store it in a way that does not release the wood's CO2 back to the atmosphere by biodegradation.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by mrob on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @07:21AM (#17958679)
If you turn it into charcoal you keep most of the carbon locked up in a non-biodegradable form.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by barry-cotter on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @08:02AM (#17958899)
And you can add it to soil where it works wonderfully at increasing biomass, reducing water runoff and increasing the number and variety of microorganisms in the soil, sequestering more carbon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_preta

Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by black6 on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @07:38AM (#17958757)
If you use it to build homes you provide shelter for more people.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by taejo on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @07:49AM (#17958812)
Building houses is great, but if you're growing the trees in order to sequestrate carbon, you'd better be reasonably sure a decent proportion of the wood doesn't release it's carbon within the next fifty years. I don't live in a country where wood is a major building material, but I'm imagining that most wood that goes into building gets discarded within a few decades and ends up decomposing or being burnt.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by abbe_k on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @08:51AM (#17959236)
If treated and maintained right it can last hundreds of years. So this is not really an issue and if you replace it with new wood it will still store carbon.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by taejo on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @04:37AM (#17966563)
> if you replace it with new wood it will still store carbon.

Good point, although you need to be sure you aren't counting the wood you replace it with as more carbon storage. Every wooden house essentially provides a fixed amount of carbon storage, no matter how much of it is replaced, and only as long as it stands.

Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by chii on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @08:00AM (#17958889)
and wood doesn't make for a building material that can go higher than a few stories.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by vidarh on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @11:20AM (#17960520)
Here's a 14 story wood-based apartment building in Norway:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5XsqauBCX4

http://treetsameie.no/

There are many other wood-based buildings higher than that being planned. The key for most of them is the use of various hybrid wood-laminates.

Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by abbe_k on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @08:58AM (#17959288)
Of course you're not getting skyscrapers from them but nowadays you can build at least five floors which is not that bad. Most buildings are below that I think.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by adrianN on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @08:16AM (#17958984)
We need to unburn roughly as much coal as we've burned. We're talking about hundreds of billions of tons. You could probably plaster the whole surface of the planet with homes and not have used enough wood.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by rbanffy on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @08:02AM (#17958898)
Wood used in construction seems to degrade very slowly. I've lived in houses whose the floor alone was a couple hundred years old.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @08:42AM (#17959163)
That's in dry conditions though, it'd probably be gone by now if there wasn't a roof.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by discreteevent on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @05:52PM (#17963724)
Scorched timber can last a hundred years. I have seen a cabin from 1740 made of timber from trees that were scorched in a forest fire but remained alive.
Re:Robotic 'trees' can turn CO2 into concrete by rbanffy on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @08:00AM (#17958885)
We can bury it until it becomes oil again.