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Re:Google wants to get rid of URLs but doesn’t know what to ... by maxerickson on Thursday September 06, 2018 @10:01AM (#17926320)
It's not about getting rid of URLs, it's about not displaying them to most users. From the Wired article Ars probably based their writeup on (Ars links it):

"People have a really hard time understanding URLs," says Adrienne Porter Felt, Chrome's engineering manager. "They’re hard to read, it’s hard to know which part of them is supposed to be trusted, and in general I don’t think URLs are working as a good way to convey site identity. So we want to move toward a place where web identity is understandable by everyone—they know who they’re talking to when they’re using a website and they can reason about whether they can trust them. But this will mean big changes in how and when Chrome displays URLs. We want to challenge how URLs should be displayed and question it as we’re figuring out the right way to convey identity."

Re:Google wants to get rid of URLs but doesn’t know what to ... by rauhl on Thursday September 06, 2018 @10:12AM (#17926399)
> It's not about getting rid of URLs, it's about not displaying them to most users.

And one of their incentives in doing so is that Google is an alternative to URLs. Already many users Google ‘facebook’ and click on the first link rather than just typing ‘facebook.com’ (or ‘face’ TAB ENTER).

Although I don’t believe I saw it in the article, it’s in Google’s interest to mediate all access to the Internet for consumers — this isn’t fundamentally different from Facebook’s VPN. It’s not in users’ interest, of course.

If they cared about security they could do something like display the domain & the path separately, maybe on different lines (with maybe colour used to distinguish HTTPs vice HTTP):

   news.ycombinator.com
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Re:Google wants to get rid of URLs but doesn’t know what to ... by acdha on Thursday September 06, 2018 @10:24AM (#17926500)
> If they cared about security they could do something like display the domain & the path separately

They've tried experiments but it's not as easy as it might seem at first thought. Consider what happens with someone setting up a hostname like bankofamerica.secureuserportal.com or www.gmail.personaluserinbox.biz – a fair number of people will look at the left part rather than reading from the right so even displaying it separately won't help, especially if they don't have a huge window with tons of room and all they see is the first part of "www.bankofamerica.comsecurecardholderservices.ru".

Only displaying the domain name will help with that problem but it has usability issues for any company which handles user data under subdomains since it'd be harder to tell user1.example.com from user2.example.com if there's any possibility of spoofing.

Re:Google wants to get rid of URLs but doesn’t know what to ... by souterrain on Thursday September 06, 2018 @10:25AM (#17926510)
Agreed. Google's ubiquity coupled with the proposed change to Chrome threatens to morph a user's experience of the open Internet into something akin to AOL and its keyword feature. That puts the Internet back fifteen or more years.
Re:Google wants to get rid of URLs but doesn’t know what to ... by staticassertion on Thursday September 06, 2018 @10:38AM (#17926618)
People searching 'facebook.com' on google seems like an indication that urls are already broken.
Re:Google wants to get rid of URLs but doesn’t know what to ... by basscomm on Thursday September 06, 2018 @11:18AM (#17926882)
People searching 'facebook.com' on google seems like a user education problem to me.

In fact, if I was Google (and I was less scrupulous), that's the kind of behavior I would encourage: train users to type destinations into Google, serve up the results using AMP, obfuscate the whole thing by eliminating URLs, then users will just stay in Google's ecosystem and never leave.

Re:Google wants to get rid of URLs but doesn’t know what to ... by mscasts on Thursday September 06, 2018 @10:27AM (#17926530)
Sorry, but that is just such a bullshit quote. They want to have control on identity and that's it. URL as the article say stands for Uniform Resource Locators and is about locating resources, not proving identity.

They are trying to solve an issue which isn't even part of the responsibility of the URL. The domain is the truthteller here. If you can find a way to display to the user what actual domain he or she is on,you have solved the issue.

Re:Google wants to get rid of URLs but doesn’t know what to ... by maxerickson on Thursday September 06, 2018 @10:49AM (#17926687)
Yes, that's why I characterized it as "not displaying them to most users". They aren't proposing getting rid of URLs or changing how they are used in retrieving pages or etc., they just might stop showing them to users because people mostly don't get much information from them.
Re:Google wants to get rid of URLs but doesn’t know what to ... by mscasts on Thursday September 06, 2018 @11:00AM (#17926753)
But the issue is that many also get much information from them. It's like removing info about air pressure in your car tires because "most people don't understand it".

I don't understand why we should view computer illiteracy as something we must cater to. You don't have to know everything about how URL works, but being able to change ?page=1 to ?page=2 and knowing what is probably going to happen and similar tasks is knowledge probably needed today and should be teached.

Why does people never learn this? If you teach people to be uneducated this is exactly what they will become.

Re:Google wants to get rid of URLs but doesn’t know what to ... by tarboreus on Thursday September 06, 2018 @11:08AM (#17926806)
People don't understand URLs because we hid them from people. Let's solve the problem by completely hiding the URLs!
Re:Google wants to get rid of URLs but doesn’t know what to ... by yladiz on Thursday September 06, 2018 @10:17AM (#17926444)
There needs to be some way for a user to be able to see something either online or, for example, out on a vendor's stall selling soap or honey, and go to it on their browser. The only thing I can imagine that's simpler than that is a QR code, but it requires you to have a phone that has a good camera, which isn't possible in some places that are developing because a phone is kind of expensive, whereas a URL just requires a pen and paper. A simple URL can be remembered without writing it down, like "blog.google".

I will be surprised if URLs go away completely in the next 50+ years, but a new way to verify the identity of the website will probably be developed, if it's necessary.