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Re:Comparing the NYT op-ed to tweets from cabinet members by cliffordthedog on Thursday September 06, 2018 @01:03AM (#17923984)
> the proper recourse is never actively sabotaging the president of the United States

Why not?

> however, we still have a functional supreme court

We don't. Mitch McConnell saw to that 2 years ago.

Re:Comparing the NYT op-ed to tweets from cabinet members by hhjinks on Thursday September 06, 2018 @03:51AM (#17924586)
> Why not?

Because that's undermining the will of the people. Like it or not, per today, Trump was legitimately and fairly elected. This very well might change in the future, but as of now, we have to assume his presidency is legitimate, no matter how vile or incompetent he is.

Re:Comparing the NYT op-ed to tweets from cabinet members by travmatt on Thursday September 06, 2018 @02:58PM (#17928640)
I can question trump legitimacy and the elections fairness, but I know without question that the ‘resistance’ inside the White House is composed of people who were not elected by the American public. Whatever one thinks of trump legitimacy, you have to, by definition, think less of this coup’s legitimacy. Nobody voted for them, and as such they have no right to dictate American policy on any matter.
Re:Comparing the NYT op-ed to tweets from cabinet members by cliffordthedog on Thursday September 06, 2018 @06:24PM (#17930169)
I agree, but I'm a lot more fine with disruption, delays, and anything constitutionally allowed coming from outside the executive branch.
Re:Comparing the NYT op-ed to tweets from cabinet members by travmatt on Thursday September 06, 2018 @02:54PM (#17928585)
Are you asking why Americans shouldn’t support an unelected cabal of secret plotters who seek to impose their ideology onto America by staging a coup?
Re:Comparing the NYT op-ed to tweets from cabinet members by fjsolwmv on Thursday September 06, 2018 @09:35PM (#17931254)
There's no coup here. There are people upholding their sworn oath to defend the Constitution, and trying to make sense out of a logically incoherent President who hired them to do just that. The President can fire them at any time if he dislikes their work.
Re:Comparing the NYT op-ed to tweets from cabinet members by cliffordthedog on Thursday September 06, 2018 @06:23PM (#17930164)
No, I'm saying "don't undermine the president" applies, at most, to the people in the executive branch of the government.
Re:Comparing the NYT op-ed to tweets from cabinet members by travmatt on Thursday September 06, 2018 @06:56PM (#17930338)
The op-ed was written by a senior member of the executive branch, so I’m not sure how that has any bearing on what’s being discussed here.
Re:Comparing the NYT op-ed to tweets from cabinet members by cliffordthedog on Thursday September 06, 2018 @08:36PM (#17930973)
Oh I totally agree with the statement when restricted to people like the author. Even then it depends on the definition of "undermining".

I think the author is cowardly, disingenuous, and dangerous.