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Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by jiveturkey on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:22PM (#17911491)
> Tesla quietly crept around and made electric cars cool and economically viable while the industry had it's backs turned.

a: not quietly, not at all b: the industry was wisely and patiently waiting. no need to spend capital in a serious way on the problem if someone else (tesla) is willing to take the chance. the industry will quite easily wipe the floor with tesla when market is ripe.

I still believe electric is going nowhere and if an alternative fuel surpasses petrol in my lifetime it will be hydrogen. we won't know for at least a decade so watch this space ...

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by _louisr_ on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:44PM (#17911684)
> the industry will quite easily wipe the floor with tesla when market is ripe.

It won't be easy.

1. the industry has a chain of dealers that will have to sell EVs alongside gas cars - how can they say that the gasoline cars are the cars of the past (Tesla's stance) when they have to sell gas cars, too? Thus the dealers will not sell EVs that strongly by principle. "Yeah, the other 90% of the cars on this lot are dead as history. You'll do well not to buy one of those." Traditional dealers will never say that to their customers. But Elon has been giving that message to Tesla customers for a decade and EV shoppers are listening.

2. Where are they getting their batteries from? Tesla already has the battery factory. Every other company is going to have to have some kind of battery deal with LG or Panasonic or whoever, and thus no vertical integration, like Tesla already has.

3. How is "the industry" going to sell cross-country travel? Buying a Tesla, you have access to a world-wide charging network that is super-quick to charge the cars, and incredibly expansive. "the industry" cannot just whip a charging network up, out of thin air.

4. Tesla has re-invented _the car_, not just electric vehicles. Look at the Model 3 dashboard. It stands out! "the industry" is still building EVs in their existing factories, with existing interiors and exteriors, that look and feel like gas cars but with an EV powertrain. There are literally tens of brands that look and feel similar to each other, and only one car brand - Tesla - that is actually unique. You think folks are not going to notice that? Tesla is not on the same planet, design and feel wise, as the other carmakers, which all exist in the same small, close-minded space. Customers are noticing that.

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by lagadu on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @07:03PM (#17913628)
> Tesla is not on the same planet, design and feel wise, as the other carmakers

I completely agree but for a completely different reason: all of Tesla's models have a very long way to go to catch up to the established carmakers, hell look at the latest: the model 3. Even if we ignore the build quality issues that thing's lack of a dashboard is appalling usability-wise.

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by sergiosgc on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:34PM (#17911587)
> I still believe electric is going nowhere and if an alternative fuel surpasses petrol in my lifetime it will be hydrogen. we won't know for at least a decade so watch this space ...

I don't know anyone who regretted buying an electric vehicle (hybrids, mostly). The general consensus in my social circle is that once you go electric you don't want to go back. It is, in terms of user experience, a much much better solution than internal combustion engines.

I hold the complete opposite view: The transportation future is electric.

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by jiveturkey on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @04:43PM (#17912608)
waitasec. EV != hybrid. I've had hybrids forever now. They are fantastic, I mean if you conveniently ignore that the prius experience is really awful compared to a gas car, 95% of that due to the CVT but still 5% due to the rest of it. Much of the benefit of electric without the downside of range.

Now that CA has a new eco-industrial complex going (carpool sticker only valid for 3 years, for no good reason), there are more non-tesla performant hybrids available and they are really really good.

Everyone that believes electric is the future has a very, very limited view of how cars (and trucks) are actually used today. Sure, it may satisfy 50% of the market but that's not enough to displace gas vehicles. Whereas hydrogen can actually displace them.

I also believe the transportation future is electric, but not batteries.