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Re:Reboot Your Dreamliner Every 248 Days to Avoid Integer Ov... by Someone1234 on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:54PM (#17911219)
> Saying it caused "a fatality" is being disingenuous.

It is accurate.

They pushed out an update that changed how AutoPilot behaved, someone had AutoPilot enabled, AutoPilot accelerated straight into a concrete barrier, and the occupant died.

Here is the NTSB's initial report on the incident:

https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/nr20180607.as...

> It's along the same false pretense as "we shouldn't use self driving cars at all, if they lead to even one fatality".

I didn't say anything remotely like that. I stated what had already occurred. Trying to put those words in my mouth doesn't seem like you're responding in good faith.

Re:Reboot Your Dreamliner Every 248 Days to Avoid Integer Ov... by Timmah on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:16PM (#17911957)
You have no proof that the accident wouldn't have occurred anyway without the update. Or that their updates didn't save one or more lives.

That's my point. Not an "accurate" but misleading accusation at the software without considering the hidden variables.

Re:Reboot Your Dreamliner Every 248 Days to Avoid Integer Ov... by decasia on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:43PM (#17912171)
"You have no proof that the accident wouldn't have occurred anyway without the update."

Well, the NTSB preliminary report doesn't make any statements about what the software update did, per se. But it does indicate that the driver's hands were not on the wheel at the time of the accident and that the "autopilot" software was activated. So it's fair to say that the "autopilot" software was responsible for the crash.

"Or that their updates didn't save one or more lives."

This is a red herring. It could be true. But there's no evidence for it so it's not worth thinking about. Our system of moral judgements rightly puts a lot of weight on demonstrable causes and effects, and generally ignores hypothetical, but totally unproven speculation like this. Otherwise anyone could get off the hook for anything, by saying, "I may have done bad action X but you can't prove I didn't also do good actions Y and Z which could well outweigh X."

"Not an "accurate" but misleading accusation at the software without considering the hidden variables."

In ordinary life we never know all the hidden variables. We just make judgments based on the best available information (or if necessary, decide to postpone judgment until better information is available). The NTSB preliminary report seems credible and I see no reason not to draw reasonable conclusions from it.