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Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by beerlord on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:14PM (#17910752)
At that point it will be pointless to even own the car. Might as well just subscribe to 'Mercedes Prime' for $500/month and have their automated vehicles available on demand.
Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by godzillabrennus on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:22PM (#17910849)
Exactly. The entire industry realizes the shift to a subscription is coming and getting here fast.

As a city dweller I got rid of owning a car in 2015. Now I just hop in someone elses car using a ride sharing app if I'm going a short distance. If I am going a long distance I can rent someone elses car, either from a company that owns a fleet or from an individual using Turo / GetAround.

In SF you can rent a car to drive somewhere using Uber's GetAround integration for as little as $8/hour. Crazy.

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by xevb3k on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:36PM (#17911011)
The rental price quoted above (500USD/month) is probably near the average price I’ve paid to buy a car... I hope subscription is kind of less than this otherwise it seems like pretty bad news for the average consumer.
Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by saltcured on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:14PM (#17911424)
The pilot programs we see now are sort of a month-to-month lease and include maintenance and periodic vehicle swaps from a pool, much like you can often swap your short-term rental in the midst of a contract. That might appeal to the type of driver who doesn't keep their car in immaculate condition for the duration of their lease or ownership.

I would expect to see market segmentation not only by model but by average car age and care standards, so the fleet operator can potentially demote cars from one tier to another to get more service life out of them. I imagine you will see budget subscriptions that are more likely drawing from a pool of 3-6 year old cars and more premium subscriptions that are drawing from a pool of almost new cars, as well as potential tiers in between.

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by godzillabrennus on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:59PM (#17911792)
Why is it bad news?

I have no insurance to pay.

I have no fuel costs to pay.

I have no parking costs to pay.

I have no maintenance costs to pay.

I have a car whenever I want, for an affordable price, that is relatively modern, sometimes with a driver and sometimes I drive myself.

The true cost of a vehicle is much higher than the car payment.

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by rurp on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @04:20PM (#17912425)
On the other hand you've now added a whole new layer of friction to using a car. Sure, in theory you'll just hit a button on an app and a car will show up in a few minutes, and it's only a minor inconvenience. But what happens if there is a bug in the software? Or if your account at the giant fleet company gets suspended out of the blue for an opaque reason?

There's also the loss of being able to buy and customize a car that's exactly what the end user wants. This doesn't matter at all to a lot of drivers, but matters a great deal to some.

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by godzillabrennus on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @11:25PM (#17914808)
What happens when I lose my key?

What happens when I drink too much before needing to go home?

What happens if my car gets hit in the parking lot or broken into and I need to deal with calling the cops and trying to obtain the security camera footage before leaving?

The truth is no solution is without problems.

The transportation as a service model has more pros for me than cons. Plus it would mean fewer cars on the road overall and less need for parking spaces when autonomous vehicles can take us places and no longer need to be parked to wait for us.

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by abraham_lincoln on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @09:50PM (#17914506)
Your second argument is akin to people wanting to build a house instead of financing and buying an existing house.

For alot of car buying folks, the financing and available inventory determines the 'want'.

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by heywire on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:26PM (#17910890)
Remember, not everyone lives near a city center...
Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by munificent on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:31PM (#17910949)
This is true but becoming less true over time.

Though it will be interesting to see if self-driving cars reverse that trend. If a long commute becomes a pleasurable chunk of me-time instead of a grueling slog staring at the brake lights in front of you, maybe people won't place such a premium on living close to work.

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by kazen44 on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:09PM (#17911887)
for density in cities to increase, more public transport is simply needed.

Cars are a terrible way to get around in a crowded city. The city is far too dense to drive easily, cars take up way too much precious space and are huge increasers of smog.

In germany and other european cities, they already started banning diesel and other high pollution vechiles from entering major city centers because of both smog and congestion issues.

This kind of ruling will only increase.

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by CamperBob2 on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @10:36PM (#17914651)
EVs will address some of these objections. Autonomous driving will take care of the rest.
Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by munificent on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:30PM (#17910932)
Uber and Lyft already have subscription plans. This is exactly the direction car transportation is already headed, at least for many drives.
Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by smacktoward on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:36PM (#17911601)
Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by lazerpants on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @04:29PM (#17912497)
This is just leasing with a different name, non-negotiable price, and insurance baked in. In many ways that's an improvement but it's disingenuous for Volvo to call it a subscription.