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Re:Awesome Tmux by 7373737373 on Monday September 03, 2018 @09:58PM (#17906084)
As much as I like its functionality, the tmux program ux is terribly unintuitive. From the crash course:

  tmux new -s session_name
    creates a new tmux session named session_name
  tmux attach -t session_name
    attaches to an existing tmux session named session_name
  tmux switch -t session_name
    switches to an existing session named session_name
  tmux list-sessions
    lists existing tmux sessions
  tmux detach (prefix + d)
    detach the currently attached session
The -s/-t feel like they should not be required. They shouldn't even be different in the first place. list-sessions should just be list, since the -sessions is implicit in all other commands as well. Exiting from a session (ctrl+b d) is another new thing too. If that were at least like vim (which is terrible as well, but esc :q), it would be much easier to interact with. Only after reading the man pages these make sense.
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Re:Awesome Tmux by LyndsySimon on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @12:26AM (#17906642)
I agree with you in principle, and feel like tmux was written "for programmers" and therefore the author(s) felt it more important to be consistent than usable. For instance: I'm pretty sure with `tmux list-sessions` because the command inside tmux is `:list-sessions`.

It wouldn't be terribly hard to write a wrapper for the command itself that works the way you want it to. As simple as it seems, I think that would probably be something useful to create and release.

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Re:Awesome Tmux by abcdef123xyz123 on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:09AM (#17907163)
Not so much for programmers, but I think certainly for people used to the terminal. If you know how to use the shell or a sophisticated editor like vi or emacs, tmux should not be a particular challenge. The target audience is not Unix beginners.
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Re:Awesome Tmux by adamrt on Monday September 03, 2018 @10:17PM (#17906161)
> If that were at least like vim (which is terrible as well, but esc :q), it would be much easier to interact with.

How would you do "esc :q" if you were using vim inside tmux? :)

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Re:Awesome Tmux by bpchaps on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:25AM (#17906833)
I've used tmux on a daily basis for about four years and have no idea what -t or -s do. My workflow is from a single machine, where I don't need to have multiple sessions - just different windows. For any remote sessions, I just use screen. Doing so has the added benefit of not conflicting with others' workflows, which are likely screen-bound.

tmux's defaults are pretty much universally thought of as awful. Change ctrl-b fo ctrl-a and find some plugins that you like. Also, consider swapping Ctrl and capslock!

My conf: https://github.com/red-bin/dotfiles/blob/master/tmux.conf

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Re:Awesome Tmux by pulsarpietro on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @06:15AM (#17907930)
Actually I use it in place of screen. I always thought of it as "a better screen"
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Re:Awesome Tmux by bpchaps on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:47PM (#17912200)
It definitely is! Though, I've found not enough people know it well enough to make it useful in any distubutrd environment, since it just confuses everyone who's already used screen. And it gets worse because everyone who knows tmux has their own config and workflows. So it's kind of a lose-lose.

Screen also has some much better defaults.

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Re:Awesome Tmux by abcdef123xyz123 on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:03AM (#17907153)
It isn't really implicit, it is just a shorthand, new is short for new-session and attach for attach-session. The alias for list-sessions is "ls" not "list".

I don't know why you would say -s shouldn't be required. Are you suggesting that "tmux new -sname command" should be something like "tmux new -ccommand name" instead?

The intent of -t is that it works much the same for all commands.

Of course you need to read the manual for anything more than the very basics, but tmux is hardly unique in that. Vim is hardly intuitive in any way.

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Re:Awesome Tmux by nerdponx on Monday September 03, 2018 @10:17PM (#17906158)
To be fair, "d" is a mnemonic for "detach".
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Re:Awesome Tmux by easytiger on Monday September 03, 2018 @10:24PM (#17906180)
> Exiting from a session (ctrl+b d) is another new thing too. If that were at least like vim (which is terrible as well, but esc :q), it would be much easier to interact with.

I'm afraid I don't understand your point. What is the issue with detach? You want an non controlled escape key press to be your command trigger? How does that make any sense?

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Re:Awesome Tmux by ben_bai on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @04:21AM (#17907469)
To be fair most tmux use cases are:

ssh -> tmux -> start something -> ctrl-b d -> logout

and maybe later:

ssh -> tmux a

to check the status.

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Re:Awesome Tmux by pulsarpietro on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @06:16AM (#17907940)
Not sure. I have seen people having two windows: 1. Vim 2. Terminal for compiling

I found it quite handy, then I discovered Emacs :-) We could stay on the subject for years I reckon.

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