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Re:Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market by scarface74 on Monday September 03, 2018 @07:37PM (#17905557)
Reviewing for Google map doesn’t give you the same social media cred of “look how exciting my life is and how great my relationship is!” that checking in on FB gives you. Besides it’s a lot more work.
Re:Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market by user5994461 on Monday September 03, 2018 @07:42PM (#17905570)
The point was that google already knows where you ate. You don't have to tell it, it tells you.
Re:Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market by scarface74 on Monday September 03, 2018 @07:53PM (#17905611)
They know the vicinty. If there are a lot of restaurants or other businesses, they don’t know exactly which business I was at. If I have an iPhone. They don’t even know that unless it was some place I needed directions to.
Re:Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market by gruez on Monday September 03, 2018 @08:17PM (#17905703)
you'll be surprised at how many people use google maps on iphone. i would even be surprised if most ios users use google maps.
Re:Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market by scarface74 on Monday September 03, 2018 @08:38PM (#17905764)
There is a huge difference. Google tracks location data on Android users all of the time. Google can only get location data on iOS users if they are actively using Google Maps. You don’t need a maps app if you know where you are going.
Re:Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market by briandear on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:23AM (#17906824)
You also don’t have to sign in to Google Maps or connect it with “you” on iPhone. It’s sandboxed unless you opt in to allowing it to use your location all the time.
Re:Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market by manigandham on Monday September 03, 2018 @09:09PM (#17905894)
If people are checking in then they are also online, and if you're online then your location is available. This is not hard to do.
Re:Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market by scarface74 on Monday September 03, 2018 @09:14PM (#17905915)
On iOS, your location isn’t available to Google though. iOS has three per app settings for location permissions for apps - never, while using, and always. Google can only get location data if you are actively using Google Maps.
Re:Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market by manigandham on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @12:41AM (#17906702)
You're stuck on Google Maps and checkins but that is not the only thing that people use, nor is GPS necessary. Anyone sitting down at a restaurant and using the internet on their device via any app or website will shed location details that Google and other networks can pickup.
Re:Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market by scarface74 on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:38AM (#17906873)
How does Google pick up location data on an iOS device using Safari browsing Facebook? Can a site with Google analytics gather the logged in Google account name? The upcoming iOS 12 version of Safari is going to make it even harder to do browser fingerprinting.
Re:Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market by manigandham on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:59AM (#17907139)
Networks have locations. Cell towers, wifi hotspots, corporate routers, etc. Not hard to get a location as long as there is network traffic.

Google analytics does know the same user across sites and devices but this is of course not exposed to the site, it's used by Google for ad targeting.

Browser fingerprinting is not necessary because people log in (to apps and sites) and will never be possible to fully reduce unless Apple can somehow make identical computer chips down to the atom.

Apple's cookie war also only helps Facebook and Google who maintain active 1st party cookies with every user, and meanwhile hurts all the independent networks and publishers who have to get people to keep logging in. This is why it helps to actually have some adtech expertise and industry cooperation instead of creating silly browser rules and turning Safari into the new IE.

Re:Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market by scarface74 on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @10:51AM (#17909434)
Networks have locations. Cell towers, wifi hotspots, corporate routers, etc. Not hard to get a location as long as there is network traffic.

How does that help unless they are sharing the data with Google?

Apple's cookie war also only helps Facebook and Google who maintain active 1st party cookies with every user, and meanwhile hurts all the independent networks and publishers who have to get people to keep logging in. This is why it helps to actually have some adtech expertise and industry cooperation instead of creating silly browser rules and turning Safari into the new IE.

If you haven’t noticed, Apple isn’t trying to help the adtech industry. Apple has a built in framework that allows third parties to submit ad blocking rules into Safari and (some) embedded webviews.

I didn’t know how bad Google’s search results were with most of the page taken over by shopping results on mobile until I started loading results with content blocking turned off to post on this topic.