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Re:Governments 'not on track' to cap temperatures at below 2... by joe_the_user on Monday September 03, 2018 @01:04AM (#17900443)
Could it be that the human brain just cannot relate to or care about large-scale and long-term problems without continually making a conscious effort to?

What we are experiencing is a failure of particular institutions - government, industry, NGOs, Intergovernmental organizations etc. What an average brain might or might not care or related-to is a significant distance from this.

One might argue we have a failure of brains together to create responsible organizations and frameworks. But here, we have had quite a few struggles between types of organizations, with some winning and some losing. Perhaps the losers might have done better, perhaps not.

Re:Governments 'not on track' to cap temperatures at below 2... by atomi on Monday September 03, 2018 @02:39AM (#17900816)
It's hard to blame our government when millions of people voted for a guy that proclaimed climate change was a Chinese hoax.
Re:Governments 'not on track' to cap temperatures at below 2... by mirimir on Monday September 03, 2018 @04:28AM (#17901266)
Those fossil fuel dudes have done some great PR, haven't they?

It's arguably China and Russia that will come out ahead, with the Arctic Ocean as the new Mediterranean. And maybe the US, after it annexes Canada.

Edit: See https://www.arctictoday.com/chinas-arctic-plans-represent-ne...

Re:Governments 'not on track' to cap temperatures at below 2... by yashap on Monday September 03, 2018 @02:51AM (#17900886)
Governments, companies, NGOs, etc. are all just collections of people. At the end of the day, I do think the issue is that we’re fundamentally selfish creatures, only able to really make decisions for the good of ourselves, or maybe also a few close friends/family members.

We understand that we’re destroying the planet, but we figure, why should I consume less, if others might not limit their consumption the same way? It seems that we’re incapable of making decisions that prioritize the welfare of the human race. I do think that apocalyptic sci-fi is probably right - on the scale of 100s to 1000s of years, we’ll likely drive ourselves to extinction, or something near extinction. The tragedy of the commons seems like an unavoidable consequence of the way we think, and I don’t see us getting past it.

Re:Governments 'not on track' to cap temperatures at below 2... by joe_the_user on Monday September 03, 2018 @04:19AM (#17901226)
Governments, companies, NGOs, etc. are all just collections of people.

Sure, and people are just collections of molecules. And the structure involved in arranging elements matters.

Further, the problem is hardly that humans are selfish but that we have developed complex structures that allow large scale exploitation of resources (and each other) but which don't allow large-scale protection of resources and situations that we (selfishly) want.

Of course, if we were just random configurations of humans spread-about the landscape doing hunting and gathering, we wouldn't have the ability to burn massive fossil fuel resources to generate climate change, however selfish we might be.

Re:Governments 'not on track' to cap temperatures at below 2... by yashap on Thursday September 06, 2018 @06:19PM (#17930142)
My point is that due to the way our brains work (looking out mostly for ourselves and those close to us, placing very little importance on things happening on the scale of 10s to 100s of years from now), it’s unlikely that we’ll be able to form global, effective ways to protect the environment, until the environmental degradation is having a MASSIVE negative impact on our lives. We form organizations to exploit resources at scale, because that benefits us as individuals quickly. But protecting the environment is bad for us as individuals in the short term, AND it relies on global buy-in, so I can’t see humans doing it anytime soon.

FWIW I think this is a tragedy, but also a likely reality.