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Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by reaperducer on Saturday September 01, 2018 @11:57AM (#17892396)
FTA: "There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance. It's a $500 subsidized item. They may make a lot of money. But if you actually take a look at the 1.3 billion phones that get sold, I'd prefer to have our software in 60% or 70% or 80% of them, than I would to have 2% or 3%, which is what Apple might get."

I wonder what the maximum penetration was for Windows OSes on phones.

"...my 85-year-old uncle probably will never own an iPod, and I hope we'll get him to own a Zune."

What's a Zune? /s

Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by londons_explore on Saturday September 01, 2018 @12:48PM (#17892683)
To be fair, after over a decade of trying, Apple still only has 15% market share.

If Microsoft had the other 85%, they'd be in a good position.

Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by lotsofpulp on Saturday September 01, 2018 @01:43PM (#17892998)
Why should Apple care about the other 85% of the market if all the profit margin is in the 15% they have?
Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by AmericanChopper on Saturday September 01, 2018 @07:41PM (#17894506)
This is called market segmentation, it’s one of the hardest things to get right in a business, and I think Apple have done a pretty good job of it. Every decision in a business has an opportunity cost, you can’t make products that will meet the needs of everybody in a market, and you can’t try to sell products to everybody in a market. It’s hard because segmenting your market is essentially deciding that you don’t want to sell to some customers, but it’s more important to look at what each customer is worth rather than how many you can get in total.
Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by DennisAleynikov on Saturday September 01, 2018 @02:05PM (#17893127)
I guess apple is totally okay with being a minority of the market then since they're doubling down on proprietary sensors and apps that only work in their own ecosystem.

they can ignore the 85% if they want. The 85% of the market will ignore them back in turn.

Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by debaserab2 on Saturday September 01, 2018 @03:13PM (#17893452)
They "double-downed" on that decision ten years ago, and now they are the most profitable company in the world. I think it's safe to say whatever bet they made paid off handsomely.
Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by samstave on Saturday September 01, 2018 @10:34PM (#17895193)
If you look at the success of apple - they do one thing really really well; make products for people with money to spend. Apple doesnt care about anything other than customers who can afford to pay, and are willing to pay, for their products.

Apple makes good products, but they arent without frustrations or limitations, and you'd better accept these if you want what you do get from apple products.

You know that the engineering will be in the top ~90%, for example. What is the 10% or so that apple fails on WRT to engineering; accessories, flexibility/upgradability, vendor-lock-in on software. All of which simply lead you to spend more money on supporting having apple products.

Accessories: How much money have you spent on chargers, cables, headphones, cases, screen-protectors, screen repairs?

Flexibility/upgradability: Want more storage/ram? Buy the next model - no upgrades.

Software: Fewer OSS options for software/apps.

There are certain things I like about apple, and certain things I hate. But the primary thing I hate is that you cant do much without paying a premium...

Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by DennisAleynikov on Saturday September 01, 2018 @09:31PM (#17894965)
it's paid off handsomely and cut off apples prospects of expanding beyond the 15% market share they currently enjoy. sure owning 15% of the global smartphone market makes them money but androids 85% share ensures googles dominance in the sector unless apple lowers some of its hardware walls and turns them into bridges.

#buildbridgesnotwalls

Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by debaserab2 on Saturday September 01, 2018 @10:06PM (#17895096)
What does market share matter when you've captured the part of the market where all the significant margins are?
Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by DennisAleynikov on Sunday September 02, 2018 @04:58PM (#17898604)
A company that trades like a railroad company shouldn't be gloating about how little of the market share they want. there is no room for apple to expand with their rich people first strategy. Eventually you run out of new rich people to sell your products to.

Apples investors do not expect them to grow much more unlike Google or Facebook which both act as monopolies in both the smartphone and online markets. I'm sure apple knows what it wants but it sure doesn't show any abition to take over the world with their products.

Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by mrep on Saturday September 01, 2018 @04:21PM (#17893735)
It also spares them scrutiny from antitrust laws which I am sure they appreciate now with the recent Android fine.
Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by IshKebab on Sunday September 02, 2018 @05:01PM (#17898615)
Because eventually developers will stop bothering with iOS apps.
Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by graeme on Saturday September 01, 2018 @01:16PM (#17892829)
Thouh its about 45% in the US, and similar levels in OECD countries.
Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by CamperBob2 on Saturday September 01, 2018 @11:04PM (#17895300)
If Microsoft had the other 85%, they'd be in a good position.

People forget that they effectively do have most of that 85%. Every Android installation kicks back some money to Microsoft in the form of patent royalties.

Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by scarface74 on Saturday September 01, 2018 @07:33PM (#17894473)
None of the 85% of Android manufacturers are in a good position fighting over scraps and Google still pays Apple over $2 billion a year to be the default search engine on iOS.

Market share doesn’t lead to profit.

Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by thaumasiotes on Saturday September 01, 2018 @01:20PM (#17892860)
What londons_explore said. Windows OS didn't succeed, but the comments about the iPhone seem to have been basically accurate...?
Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by reaperducer on Saturday September 01, 2018 @05:11PM (#17893894)
the comments about the iPhone seem to have been basically accurate

If by "basically accurate," you mean "not accurate at all."

It's a long way from 2% to 45%. Not many companies get to underestimate their competition's potential marketshare by a factor of 22 and survive.

Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by Buge on Saturday September 01, 2018 @07:15PM (#17894407)
Apple has 15%, not 45%. So it's 5-8x, not 22x. And the original quote appears to be about all phones, not just smartphones, so the factor would in fact be even lower.
Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by girvo on Sunday September 02, 2018 @12:29AM (#17895555)
Apple has 45% in most OECD countries. Even higher in some of them, IIRC.
Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by Buge on Sunday September 02, 2018 @02:45AM (#17895936)
Is the original quote talking only about OECD countries? I think it's talking about worldwide.
Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by scarface74 on Sunday September 02, 2018 @10:43AM (#17897147)
It was partially accurate. Statistically no one bought an unsubsidized phone for $600. Apple lowered the price to $300 within 6 months and then went for the standardized subsidized model the next year.
Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by isostatic on Saturday September 01, 2018 @12:29PM (#17892578)
<i>What's a Zune?</i>

It's the think starlord got at the end of guardians of the galaxy 2.

Still, at least it didn't suffer like the ipod -- it had No wireless and Less space than a Nomad. It was "Lame".

Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by mattkevan on Saturday September 01, 2018 @02:05PM (#17893128)
But you could ‘squirt’ songs from one Zune to another.

The Zune was a litany of poor decisions, but that word choice must have been the worst.

Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by reaperducer on Saturday September 01, 2018 @05:09PM (#17893889)
I think you are correct.

Though, I also found the word "squircle†" amusing, and still use it when the opportunity arises. The Zune was the first time I'd heard it used outside of math nerds trying to out-nerd each other.

† https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squircle

Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by mixmastamyk on Saturday September 01, 2018 @06:40PM (#17894270)
From the company that brought you “wince.”
Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by isostatic on Sunday September 02, 2018 @11:48AM (#17897377)
Ahh, the line up at the turn of the century -- Windows Cement.
Re:$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft by mattkevan on Saturday September 01, 2018 @06:56PM (#17894320)
And MicroSoft