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Re:Convincing engineers to join your team by wolco on Thursday August 30, 2018 @02:46PM (#17879549)
But they don't that's why they want reassurance full day interviews.

First step stop applying and let them come to you directly or get recommended.

Do you consider yourself the Brad Pit of enginners or joe blow? Do you think Brad Pitt goes into the cattle call auditions and waits all day for his 5 minute read?

Re:Convincing engineers to join your team by jonny_eh on Thursday August 30, 2018 @03:24PM (#17879901)
I'm not a Brad Pitt, are you? Is there even such a thing in engineering?
Re:Convincing engineers to join your team by wolco on Thursday August 30, 2018 @06:32PM (#17881384)
There are tons of engineering rockstars (brad pitt types). Pick your favourite framework there are usually a handful of stars around it.

Am I Brad Pitt? I'm not in that league. But you don't have to be to avoid the unpaid nonsense of hanging around all day. If that's the hiring process it shows that the company is unsure of themselves and are afraid to make a mistake. Companies like google are so big they need this kind of process to filter people out. When a 30 person company does this it raises red flags.

Re:Convincing engineers to join your team by tormeh on Friday August 31, 2018 @02:22AM (#17883352)
Why? Hiring is the single most important thing a company does. It makes sense to invest resources in it. Every company that doesn't is gambling that every candidate that can get through a short interview is about equal.
Re:Convincing engineers to join your team by wolco on Friday August 31, 2018 @09:11AM (#17885242)
Not hiring is a huge gamble as well. Waiting an extra few months can force other employees to quit if the workload is being put on there plate.

If you are asking too much of candidates many will dropout as they get hired somewhere elsewhere quickier. The longer you take the quality of the pool gets reduced.

Hiring is important. Keep employees are probaby more immportant. Sales are in my opinion the most important. Taking a gamble can lead to 10/10 candidate hire. Chances are low it will lead to a 1/10 candidate. The longer they play it safe the lower average peak in the candidate pool.

If the process takes 3 months you will be lucky to get a b level guy unless your company is special (google/apple/hot startup). The A level guys will move on.

Someone with three offers in hand will not waste an unpaid day unless you can offer something special.

Re:Convincing engineers to join your team by tormeh on Friday August 31, 2018 @09:25PM (#17889614)
I agree that keeping employees is important. Let's just expand the thesis to being "HR is the most important thing a company does".

> Sales are in my opinion the most important.

And how does a company get good salespeople? Hiring well.

Speed is a part of hiring well.

Re:Convincing engineers to join your team by wyclif on Friday August 31, 2018 @05:52AM (#17884238)
There is: Rob Pike, Jeff Dean, or John Carmack are examples. And I know that no matter how good I get, I'll still be a long way away from the level those guys have reached.