Re:Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intoleran...
by haha99 on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @08:36PM
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Your gut reaction to "not left-leaning views" was "not all views deserve respect", implying they are awful, unconceivable ideas that they want to express. Not a personal attack because, right now, this is the only non-greyed message in this thread, which means most people agree with you. That's bad.
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Re:Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intoleran...
by stochastic_monk on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @08:38PM
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I was thinking that he meant that the views held by those who have decided they’re being persecuted were views that did not deserve respect.
Re:Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intoleran...
by haha99 on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @08:40PM
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It depends on who you ask. Saying something in public or doing something against some of the hot, left-leaning ideas of this time (feminism, or homosexualism) could very well get you fired. I'm sure you can think of examples...
Problem is that some people want to lump, for example, "abortion is murder" and "burn all niggers" together so nobody can ever make the former point.
Re:Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intoleran...
by cycrutchfield on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @08:45PM
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>hot, left-leaning ideas of this time
>equal rights for women
>equal rights for people regardless of their sexuality
What is "this time"? The 1800s?
Re:Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intoleran...
by haha99 on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @09:03PM
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That feels like a strawman. When people want to debate feminism nowadays they don't want to talk about whether women should have equal rights or not. For example some people say abortion is part of feminism. Some are for it some are against it. That doesn't mean they want to keep women as sex slaves.
Re:Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intoleran...
by umvi on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @09:01PM
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See, you're doing it too. You're assuming that ALL feminist ideas are morally invincible on the grounds that they are championing "equal rights for women" (whether that's actually true or not) and shaming GP for implying differently
Re:Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intoleran...
by invisible on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @09:12PM
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I downvoted you (and I assume others did too) because your assertion is only half true and that makes it pretty misleading. The other valid reply presented was about "homosexualism" (not sure what that means exactly) and in that context "feminism" means "rights," thus "equal rights."
So ya, I think 1800s is a pretty fair (albeit satirical) statement/question.
Re:Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intoleran...
by ThrustVectoring on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @08:54PM
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Western feminism is no longer a movement that does any appreciable work towards equal rights for women. They, uhh, kind of already have that in the developed world.
Re:Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intoleran...
by __d on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @09:23PM
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The fact that "western feminism" doesn't appear to believe that women have achieved equal rights seems to me like maybe there's some more discussion to be had and changes to be made?
Re:Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intoleran...
by ThrustVectoring on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @09:41PM
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Feminists are still trying to change society and still have a narrative of being about "equal rights" as a concept. They have equality under the law by any reasonable definition. Reproductive health access and family leave laws are the best example I can think of, and even that's a stretch. Do you have better examples?
Re:Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intoleran...
by __d on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @10:20PM
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My impression of the situation is that while the law might confer equal rights, it doesn't result in equal lived experience.
Changing the law is one thing; changing culture and expectations is another.
Re:Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intoleran...
by ThrustVectoring on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @10:32PM
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Of course. Changing the law can grant or deny rights, changing culture and expectations can't.
Re:Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intoleran...
by stochastic_monk on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @09:51PM
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Then why is there such pushback against the Equal Rights Amendment?