What the grieving mother orca tells us about how animals experience death

Re:What the grieving mother orca tells us about how animals ... by MrQuincle on Monday August 27, 2018 @03:31AM (#17849977)

That you have to draw a line somewhere is obvious. Speciecism however draws the line at exactly our own species. We can do better than that. To use a physiological line seems indeed a better approach. It would also be good if we would know where there is a line of feeling pain. Good luck establishing a line. It's one of the things we can do, where we can collectively become more reasonable and emphatic than we were before.

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Re:What the grieving mother orca tells us about how animals ... by EliRivers on Monday August 27, 2018 @05:34AM (#17850395)

That you have to draw a line somewhere is obvious.

Given that there is no such actual line, and that we would be thus trying to apply a binary idea to a universe that doesn't actually support that - reality disagrees with us, as it were - is it still obvious? It seems harsh that we must obviously do something that we know to be incorrect.

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Re:What the grieving mother orca tells us about how animals ... by MrQuincle on Monday August 27, 2018 @11:23AM (#17852016)

Still, you have to draw a line among living things. It's still not possible to survive without eating plants.

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