Re:What the grieving mother orca tells us about how animals ...
by MrQuincle on Monday August 27, 2018 @03:31AM
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That you have to draw a line somewhere is obvious. Speciecism however draws the line at exactly our own species. We can do better than that. To use a physiological line seems indeed a better approach. It would also be good if we would know where there is a line of feeling pain. Good luck establishing a line. It's one of the things we can do, where we can collectively become more reasonable and emphatic than we were before.
Re:What the grieving mother orca tells us about how animals ...
by EliRivers on Monday August 27, 2018 @05:34AM
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That you have to draw a line somewhere is obvious.
Given that there is no such actual line, and that we would be thus trying to apply a binary idea to a universe that doesn't actually support that - reality disagrees with us, as it were - is it still obvious? It seems harsh that we must obviously do something that we know to be incorrect.
Re:What the grieving mother orca tells us about how animals ...
by MrQuincle on Monday August 27, 2018 @11:23AM
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Still, you have to draw a line among living things. It's still not possible to survive without eating plants.
Re:What the grieving mother orca tells us about how animals ...
by colanderman on Monday August 27, 2018 @12:35AM
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Like I said, our idea – that is, our presumption, short of scientific evidence – of what inner experiences an animal might share with us should be informed by our knowledge of what physiology and behavior that animal shares with us. Orcas are mammals with complex social structures who form extremely close bonds with their mothers [1]. Hence my suggestion that the burden of proof rests with those who claim that an orca would not feel grief should her child die.
Roundworms? Not so much.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_whale#Social_structure
Re:What the grieving mother orca tells us about how animals ...
by monetus on Monday August 27, 2018 @01:07AM
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I'm curious how much of our 'soul' is a product of the relationship between the bacterial biomes in our bodies, rather than just our neurons by themselves.
Even more, how do we know all neurons are equal?
edit: not arguing against your point, just woolgathering.
How about "has 302 neurons"? Where along this list ought we draw one or more partitions? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of_n...