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Re:What the grieving mother orca tells us about how animals ... by 36bydesign on Sunday August 26, 2018 @11:08PM (#17849216)
Things human value (exploration, science) aren’t necessarily things other species would value. We tend to destroy the planet in our pursuits, so I’m not as confident as you are in our own species’ intellectual superiority.

Many species have better memories than humans, including most monkey/ape species. We have exceptional dexterity while dolphins don’t, so is it a fair fight to judge intelligence by putting a telescope into orbit? Do dolphins have as high a rate of depression in their species as humans? Do they have as many wars as us? Again, are we really that much more intelligent than these other species? Measuring intelligence is hard because we don’t have a rigorous definition.

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Re:What the grieving mother orca tells us about how animals ... by emodendroket on Sunday August 26, 2018 @11:33PM (#17849281)
The only species which even begins to have a plausible comparison is the octopus. Yes, I feel completely confident saying we're more intelligent than orcas or monkeys.
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Re:What the grieving mother orca tells us about how animals ... by FranzFerdiNaN on Monday August 27, 2018 @01:18AM (#17849583)
But the question was if “more intelligent” gives us the authority to eat them, or make them go extinct by destroying their habitat, or abuse them for medicine trials.

And if “more intelligent” is a valid reason you are immediately entering a weird area where it is okay to eat a baby because hey, it’s less intelligent! But I doubt many people would think that’s a valid reason, so we’re back to speciesism. which is also problematic because then we appoint the human as sole judge and juror of all living things.

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Re:What the grieving mother orca tells us about how animals ... by emodendroket on Monday August 27, 2018 @03:26AM (#17849961)
That's a separate question but not the one any of the posts I replied to were addressing. I don't think it's honest to attribute to shield properties they don't have simply because you don't like the implications of the reality.
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