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Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by hnaccy on Friday August 24, 2018 @11:53PM (#17839433)
>Before this decade, the Internet was by and large an aristocracy of liberal, competent tech workers discussing their career and their interests.

This doesn't match my experience at all.

Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by reaperducer on Saturday August 25, 2018 @12:08AM (#17839473)
This doesn't match my experience at all.

Ditto. I remember when the internet was apolitical. Not liberal, not conservative. That only became widespread in the last five or ten years.

Before this decade, the internet was mostly nerds working to solve problems involving math and science, not social studies and history. Then the nerds got rich and started caring less about technology, and more about “changing the world.”

Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by Mediterraneo10 on Saturday August 25, 2018 @12:44AM (#17839588)
I think the internet has been "political" for longer than that. The development of blogging systems like Movable Type and then Wordpress in the early millennium gave rise to some extremely popular and vigorous blogs like Little Green Footballs. Some of these got so much traffic that suddenly their proprietors could live off the money earned just by casually sharing their political views (thanks to some affiliate links here and there).

The big political change of more recent years, I would say, is political discussion overflowing expressly political fora and contaminating pretty much everywhere because of how social media functions. A band or author will share some entirely innocuous, non-political post on their social media pages, but the comment threads below them can easily descend into a shitshow of partisan quarreling.

Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by pacala on Saturday August 25, 2018 @01:04AM (#17839629)
We could blissfully ignore that Little Green Footballs / Daily Kos / etc. ever existed and go on with our lives. Enter Facebook / Twitter and their hunger for "engagement" and all of a sudden inflammatory political rants pop in everyone's news feed multiple times a day. Advertisers are happy, technocrats are happy, people are connected, what's not to love?
Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by pasabagi on Saturday August 25, 2018 @05:27AM (#17840217)
I think the west has grown more political, to be honest.

Until the last few years, the choices in basically every developed country has been between 'red neoliberal' and 'blue neoliberal'. Predictably, voters were bored. Recently, there have started to be genuinely different options on the ballot sheet, on both ends of the spectrum.

Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by AmericanChopper on Saturday August 25, 2018 @03:46AM (#17840011)
>I think the internet has been "political" for longer than that.

I would agree with that. Freedom of expression seemed to be a foundational value of the internet when I was growing up, but perhaps that was a less political idea back then. Nowadays, the top comment in this thread is lamenting that we have allowed people who don’t have ‘the correct values’ to participate in the internet.

Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by syshum on Saturday August 25, 2018 @07:36AM (#17840450)
That is the raise of Social Media

Internet == Good for Humanity

Social Media == Bad for Humanity

that is my opinion, since the raise of platforms like facebook and twitter that is when things IMO really started to descend. Of course I am open to the possibility that social media is not the cause and it would have happened regardless but...

Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by orev on Saturday August 25, 2018 @12:15AM (#17839497)
Small “L” liberal means either “open to new behavior or values” or “seeking knowledge”. That’s not (or shouldn’t be) political.
Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by Analemma_ on Saturday August 25, 2018 @12:17AM (#17839506)
There is no question more intensely political than the question of which values people think “shouldn’t be political”.
Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by yesenadam on Saturday August 25, 2018 @01:35AM (#17839711)
That's the most interesting, thought-provoking comment I've read on here for a long while. (I bother saying that, because it's been, amazingly, downvoted and accused of being closer to saying nothing than anything.)
Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by matthewwiese on Saturday August 25, 2018 @12:36AM (#17839562)
That reads more like a tautology than a genuine insight.
Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by RRRA on Saturday August 25, 2018 @12:42AM (#17839581)
The internet apolitical? When what where... Before DNS?
Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by reaperducer on Saturday August 25, 2018 @02:30AM (#17839840)
Since DNS is didn't go live until 1984, and didn't hit Windows until 1987, pretty much.

I was thinking pre-web. When most personal communication over the internet was via e-mail, usenet, and finger. I don't remember ever seeing politics on Gopher, but I could have just missed that.

Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by dragonwriter on Saturday August 25, 2018 @03:14AM (#17839947)
> I was thinking pre-web. When most personal communication over the internet was via e-mail, usenet, and finger.

Even aside from overtly political newsgroups like talk.politics.misc, and talk.abortion, politics was all over Usenet.

Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by alxlaz on Saturday August 25, 2018 @03:04AM (#17839917)
Maybe not political debates per se, but I definitely remember many posters' political views being easy to decipher behind their USENET posts.
Re:The four ways that ex-internet idealists explain where it... by TheOtherHobbes on Saturday August 25, 2018 @06:04AM (#17840272)
In the late 90s, parts of Usenet and IRC made modern Twitter look like a polite lunch date with your accountant.