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Re:Privatizing Poverty by TheCoelacanth on Friday August 24, 2018 @01:43PM (#17836459)
"Pre-trial misconduct" is not the same as something that is actually dangerous to society. People released prior to trial are held to a much higher standard than the rest of the population. Most of the pre-trial misconduct is just technical violations, like failing to maintain employment or not reporting in at the scheduled times. Of all people released pre-trial, 17% commit a technical violation while only 4% commit a new crime[1].

[1] https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/prmfdc0810.pdf

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Re:Privatizing Poverty by TangoTrotFox on Friday August 24, 2018 @01:59PM (#17836586)
You're making the same mistake I did. Unfortunately something that's easy to gloss over is that these PDFs are broken up into groups that seem somewhat arbitrary, making comparison and extrapolation difficult. For instance the one you're mentioning is only for cases in federal district courts which is a very different demographic than arrestees at large. Similarly, my original source only was considering state level felony offenses (though that makes the 77% ending up released even more remarkable, but that 77% was not exclusively for no financial condition).

I'm trying to find a more comprehensive article containing data across both misdemeanors/felonies and state/federal courts, but running up short. Their data seems to be heavily segmented in not so useful ways. If you find something along these lines I'd very much appreciate if you'd ping it regardless of its direct relevance.

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Re:Privatizing Poverty by TheCoelacanth on Friday August 24, 2018 @02:03PM (#17836613)
Do you have evidence that the breakdown of technical violations vs new crime is different across different segments?
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Re:Privatizing Poverty by TangoTrotFox on Friday August 24, 2018 @03:17PM (#17837197)
I think it'd be pretty intuitive that there would be radically different rates for things among different groups, but sure check out page 7/8 of the felony document I originally linked. The rate of individuals being arrested for a new offense ranged from 13%-21%, felony rearrest rates ranged from 10%-13%, and so on.

One other thing you have to look at as well is the time frame. As time goes on you get closer to the real 'risk' rates. That's also detailed at the top of page 7. For instance only 8% of those those that would be rearrested were rearrested within a week, which goes to 29% in a month, 62% in 3 months, and 85% in 6 months.

Again it's very disappointing that the data aren't more clearly quantified and classified across documents.

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Re:Privatizing Poverty by tosstoss184 on Friday August 24, 2018 @02:54PM (#17837033)
I think it'd be pretty intuitive that there would be radically different rates for things among different groups, but sure check out page 7/8 of the felony document I originally linked. The rate of individuals being arrested for a new offense ranged from 13%-21%, felony rearrest rates ranged from 10%-13%, and so on.
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