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Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by kev009 on Thursday August 23, 2018 @01:18PM (#17828962)
How do you gaffe this bad? How is someone that incompetent in the decision making loop? Some random engineer creating the ucode or uploading it to the web doesn't come up with this kind of idea to change license language. These are edicts from management. I'd love for that conversation to leak in full.
Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by pwg on Thursday August 23, 2018 @01:32PM (#17829080)
That language is likely derived from a path similar to this:

"Marketing department" -- We are sick of seeing the world complain that our patches to these problems reduce performance by X percent. Hey "Legal Dept", can anything be done about that?

"Legal Dept" -- We will see what we can do...

Result, a new clause appears in the license file that says "no bench-marking".

With no one in the path ever having heard of the Streisand effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect) (yes, Streisand effect is not a perfect fit here, but the 'publicity' part of the effect is what in fact has occurred).

Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by Aloha on Thursday August 23, 2018 @01:58PM (#17829305)
I suspect its something more banal.

I believe intel does distribute test/beta microcode to certain partners, and likely security researchers, this kind of statement is something you would put in a beta version, I wonder if someone simply used the wrong license file when they deployed this to the website.

Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by dman on Thursday August 23, 2018 @04:02PM (#17830271)
This story has been out for days, if such a thing was at play Intel would have put out a statement by now.
Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by Aloha on Thursday August 23, 2018 @07:27PM (#17831448)
Days is about right for a large company to respond
Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by babypuncher on Thursday August 23, 2018 @04:37PM (#17830501)
I refuse to believe the entire marketing department is dense enough not to see how that would backfire.
Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by cbhl on Thursday August 23, 2018 @04:41PM (#17830528)
Does it really take the entire marketing department for the story to play out this way? It just takes one marketing person to send one email to the right one lawyer in legal, right?
Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by mywittyname on Thursday August 23, 2018 @04:38PM (#17830509)
Legal probably thought they could silently issue C&D letters to offending sites and bully compliance.
Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by dman on Thursday August 23, 2018 @04:58PM (#17830665)
Looks like marketing department is running with an acting part time head - https://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2018/05/...
Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by cesarb on Thursday August 23, 2018 @01:41PM (#17829162)
I saw a tweet somewhere (IIRC in the anandtech sidebar, unfortunately I'm not finding it right now) where the poster speculated that it was the EULA for a beta version of the microcode which leaked into the final version.
Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by ksec on Thursday August 23, 2018 @04:13PM (#17830335)
that was Ryan smith. chief editor of anandtech.

https://twitter.com/RyanSmithAT/status/1032546813176307712

and if it was true they would have said so in their reply.

Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by djsumdog on Thursday August 23, 2018 @01:42PM (#17829182)
That makes much more sense. If that's what happened, Intel should just come out and say it. Own your mistakes, or at least adopt this lie if it wasn't a mistake, simply because it's plausible and will help them save face from a PR perspective. (The Nobel Lie as it would be).
Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by walterbell on Thursday August 23, 2018 @02:36PM (#17829599)
Helpful side-effect of this leak: benchmark public reaction.
Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by geezerjay on Thursday August 23, 2018 @01:51PM (#17829254)
> the poster speculated that it was the EULA for a beta version of the microcode

I don't see how this changes anything at all.

Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by SolarNet on Thursday August 23, 2018 @01:59PM (#17829325)
If they had given it to specific companies before it was finished the benchmarks would not represent reality while it was under development, and as part of the embargo on these beta clients, they wouldn't be allowed to publish it.

Obviously not good if it makes it into the public release.

Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by Sohcahtoa82 on Thursday August 23, 2018 @02:25PM (#17829534)
Because people are irrational and clickbait runs rampant.

If they contract testing of the beta to a 3rd party, they don't want them running benchmarks because if they get released, news organizations will jump on it, broadcasting the performance hit.

This matters because when later beta versions improve performance, the news about the improved performance doesn't spread nearly as much. Even if it does, the first impression sticks, and there's nothing Intel will be able to do about it.

Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by SmellyGeekBoy on Thursday August 23, 2018 @05:31PM (#17830855)
Amazing how many people are still doing mental gymnastics to give Intel the benefit of the doubt. This should have stopped being the default position a while ago.
Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by kikoreis on Thursday August 23, 2018 @01:58PM (#17829309)
If it's a limited access beta version, restricting redistribution and benchmark publishing makes a lot more sense.
Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by Aloha on Thursday August 23, 2018 @02:00PM (#17829342)
This is also what I suspect
Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by hajile on Thursday August 23, 2018 @02:08PM (#17829398)
Companies like IBM or Oracle have had these clauses for decades to prevent users from comparing performance.

Such EULA clauses need to be put to the test and overturned for the anti-consumer monopolistic garbage they are.

Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by mmagin on Thursday August 23, 2018 @03:25PM (#17829907)
I was casually wondering the other day if Intel had hired some Oracle lawyers recently :)
Re:Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking... by thsealienbstrds on Friday August 24, 2018 @02:57AM (#17833257)
Yep. It's like buying a box of cookies that says you agree to not compare the taste of these cookies with the tastes of other cookies.