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Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by worldsayshi on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @05:03PM (#17822169)
In part I think it's important to think about how to make and keep a healthy culture of labour unions. There needs to be counter balance to corporate power. Especially in blue collar sectors.

I guess gig unions could be a thing? Can we build apps for worker coordination? What if there was a way for all Uber drivers to coordinate global strikes?

We should be open for regulation that protect the rights of workers to unionize.

Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by ThrustVectoring on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @05:18PM (#17822281)
One of the big problems with forming a gig worker union is the same problem with gig work in general; you're disconnected with your coworkers and other firm participants.

Uber can press a button in response to a strike and send out a push notification to potential scabs offering a bribe to cross the digital picket line. The strikers both don't know and can't efficiently tell who scabs are, and as such can't put pressure for solidarity on them.

Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by walterbell on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @05:47PM (#17822502)
Some Uber drivers also use the Lyft app. Would they use a “DriveTogether” app for labor organizing? Is digital labor organizing more or less work than old-school organizing of workers in factories across a large geographic region?

Edit: looks like this is now legally permitted, https://tcf.org/content/report/virtual-labor-organizing/

”Due to a little-known, but far-reaching change made by the NLRB last year, virtual labor organizing by employees is now sanctioned by law in many situations and could possibly be transformative in the workplace ... NLRB recently reversed years of legal precedent that allowed employers to ban the use of workplace e-mail for organizing or communicating about the terms and conditions of work. Last year, in its decision in Purple Communications, Inc., the NLRB emphatically endorsed the right of employees to use workplace e-mail for such activities. It held that “employee use of email for statutorily protected communications on nonworking time must presumptively be permitted by employers who have chosen to give employees access to their email systems.” The NLRB added that: “Employees’ need to share information and opinions is particularly acute in the context of an initial organizing campaign.”

Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by opportune on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @05:56PM (#17822578)
One major barrier is that you don’t have to meet any of your coworkers unless you explicitly seek them out, and your employer certainly isn’t going to help you. So yes I would say that labor organizing across a gig platform is considerably harder than for factories across geographic regions. The social fabric is a lot harder to construct
Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by jsjohnst on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @08:30PM (#17823517)
Many drivers (in NYC anyway) are members of online discussion forums, so they are connecting already. I read many a multi-hundred page threads of drivers ranting and deciding to strike several years ago over Uber forcing black cars to accept UberX rides. Them joining together is a major reason Uber backtracked that policy per Uber’s public statement about it.
Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by worldsayshi on Thursday August 23, 2018 @06:07PM (#17831053)
I guess that the missing piece here would be better ways to organise strike funds and pay. Regarding the social aspect there's mostly a way if there's will.
Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by sleepychu on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @07:57PM (#17823335)
Can anyone who drives for Uber/Lyft/Grab chime in here? Do you know your peers?
Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by opportune on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @05:44PM (#17822475)
Some would say this is the killer-app of gig platforms - the picket lines and scabs are almost invisible, and workers are completely disconnected from each other unless they seek each other out. Makes organization and striking very hard
Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by tareqak on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @06:06PM (#17822668)
I'd argue that what people need is a "meta"-union with gig-specific chapters. Regardless of the type of employment, all people are human beings with needs, desires, and limitations. You could argue that government and political parties are supposed to be just that, but here we are.
Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by worldsayshi on Thursday August 23, 2018 @06:11PM (#17831070)
Yes! Meta unions should be there for managing strike funds. This infrastructure seems like something that could be packaged in a reusable way. I don't think this should be part of the political establishment at all. Just as corporations should be kept separate from the state. The mechanics of labour unions are quite different.
Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by ismail on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @09:17PM (#17823742)
See the case study of Nidan. They setup unions in India for informal workers. A union of unions so to speak.the centre that did the case study is one of the best to understand Systems change

http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_SF17_Case_Studies_02_Nidan_...