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Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by yjftsjthsd-h on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:30PM (#17814014)
I sorta disagree; if Verizon is dishonest and that catches someone off guard, it's not the fault of that party, it's Verizon's fault. Anything else is just victim blaming.
Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by kodablah on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:34PM (#17814044)
Sure. Admittedly, I don't really know how to "ask for victim vigilance in hostile environment" without appearing to blame them. The hostile environment is to blame, clearly.
Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by whatpad on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:48PM (#17814145)
Your argument would hold water if "victim vs perpetrator" were entirely black and white. Is Verizon not a partial victim for having an unreasonable customer that thinks $39/mo is sufficient for their mission critical communications bottleneck? Isn't Verizon partially a victim of politicians drumming up anger when the government itself contributed to the error by failing to read a contract?

You can't just assign the victim label and be done with your argument. There is nuance and shared responsibility.

Not everything is an exercise in identifying the victim, therefore the other is the perpetrator, therefore the 'victim' is absolved.

Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by Johnny555 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:15PM (#17814318)
Is Verizon not a partial victim for having an unreasonable customer that thinks $39/mo is sufficient for their mission critical communications bottleneck?

I think this goes back to the "don't sell an unlimited plan if you're going to insist on limits". Verizon didn't have to call it an unlimited plan, they chose to.

Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by kodablah on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @07:12PM (#17814723)
> Verizon didn't have to call it an unlimited plan, they chose to

They could have just chosen not to compete in a market with unregulated definitions. You are improperly hating the player and not the game as though it's reasonable for them to not use definitions their competitors use when competing.

Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by vilmosi on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @07:37PM (#17814866)
> They could have just chosen not to compete in a market with unregulated definitions.

I don't think it's about regulating words. If you promise to sell a blue dog but sell a green dog, I don't expect a regulation saying blue has to be blue.

It's just false advertisement.

Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by jessaustin on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @08:14AM (#17818115)
Since VZN and ATT hire and fire all the people who write those regulations, hating them is hating the game.
Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by wtallis on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:16PM (#17814322)
> Is Verizon not a partial victim for having an unreasonable customer that thinks $39/mo is sufficient for their mission critical communications bottleneck?

Verizon's a victim, yes, but it's a self-inflicted problem caused by their misleading marketing so they don't deserve any pity. Verizon willfully tries to bury and downplay the limitations of their "unlimited" services, and it is entirely appropriate for them to bear the blame when people or local government agencies fall for it.